Blockglitching change discussion

[jwkerr]

I was whining to CorruptedGreed about the change and he said to "get a gauge of how players feel" and we can evaluate whether or not it needs to be reverted.

I personally think it should be reverted because while blockglitching is a glitch, as the name says, it has been a long-term part of EarthMC and has cemented itself into the server's "culture". Similarly to how rocket jumping was a bug in Quake that is now a staple feature in many games such as TF2, blockglitching is a staple feature of EarthMC despite being unintended.

[Aylywyn]

So was 100% safe land claims...

[jwkerr]

dam bro, das crazy 🤯

[Colt44Magnum]

it has been a long-term part of EarthMC and has cemented itself into the server's "culture".

rip chunks

[keijodputt]

You're comparing Minecraft to Quake, whereas the first is a building/mining/adventure game, the other is purely a fucking First Person Shooter, c'mon. If Minecraft was only about killing, I would have neither touched it, nor allowed my kids into it. They have Unreal Tournament, Half-Life, and so on, to blast each other as much as they want (/s).

My opinion. Block glitching is a bug used by very few (and usually toxics) that have the means and practice to exploit it. Remove it and you'll also remove:

• discussions about block glitching being an exploit or nah;
• "masquerading" other exploits/hacks under block glitching, it's gonna be easier to detect cheaters;
• trespassing and killing mobs in claims, this overrides any controversy about someone using block glitch to waltz in and kill your (back then) precious pets;
• unsafe claims, so block glitchers can't exploit permanent game lag (or their own lag, regardless of its origin: intended/ISP induced) to ruin someone's game;
• any other negative outcome associated to block glitching.

Nothing else to say. Remove the bug, make the Mods job (a little) less difficult.

-- EDIT -- telling your friends to come vote a "survey" is not gauging the player's feel. None of the votes have expressed any concrete feeling for nor against block-glitching.

[deafkite42]

i dont really see how block glitching to get out of a small 2 block hole you got stuck in is toxic behavior but whatever go off queen

[deafkite42]

and i mean anyone can and does use it to get out of little situations like that, it seems like every player that's been on the server longer than 5 minutes uses it on a daily basis, mostly for benign reasons

[8set]

I think that you don't fully understand why the removal of blockglitching is a highly controversial subject.

For instance, saying that it is done mostly by toxic players is nothing more than an uninformed opinion if not an outright lie. Every single EMC player I have ever talked to has used it once at least. It makes absolutely no sense to remove a feature of the server that has been here since nova.

If it was as bad as you portray it, it would have been removed years ago.

I could continue poking holes in this argument, but I think the poll's results will speak for themselves.

[12bowl]

As far as I know, nobody debates about blockglitching being an exploit, and it has been a HEAVILY USED FEATURE in the server for over 6 years...
Furthermore, killing mobs in claims is now impossible, thanks to towny classifying mob damage as the "destroy" permission, preventing anyone without permissions to "destroy" to damage your mobs.
Finally, blockglitching is incredibly easy to prevent in your own claims using a multitude of ways. Complaining about it making "claims unsafe" is more representative of your own laziness to implement a solution than anything.

The only valid concern about blockglitching you highlighted is the possibility of it being used to hide hacks of some sort. I personally saw a friend of mine be temporarily banned under suspicion of flyhacks due to them blockglitching up to 3 blocks up using a combination of their god-awful lag, the server's horrendous lag, and some very fast clicking.
TPS is very influential when it comes to blockglitching, and while I do agree that it represents some type of extra work for moderators, I believe that simply fixing up the server's subpar performance would make blockglitching more difficult, and thus ease your worries.

PS- Your comment about "calling your friends to vote" is spiteful and in very bad taste. You clearly are angry at the fact that the community's views do not match yours, and decide to gaslight as a reaction. I do not believe that this is how a staff member, who should be exercising their powers with responsibility and fairness, should act.

[Kloton666]

The glitch's origins can be traced back to early versions of EMC, it has been here since I personally first logged on. Some players use this unintended behavior and incorporate it into the way they play the server.
I think that after such long wait without doing anything, the glitch gained popularity among players. It became a part of the game. The glitch has inspired countless creative attitude, whether it was escaping nation's spawn or traps. Sometimes players would use the glitch to look at unique builds, sculptures, and other projects around EMC, even I used it to take a closer look at the Eiffel tower.

Moreover, as my good friend Fruitloopins mention, the glitch became a cultural part of the server after so long without being patch. The glitch add some spices to the game, for example, I remember I fell for a trap in Saskatchewan with a god set and a trident. I survived because of block glitching. If you take off block glitching you let the players that don't grind lay traps around the server, and they cant escape. A simple 1x1x3 with 1 wither rose is enough to trap you and make you loose your gear you probably took hours to grind.

People used and are currently building walls and they are taking account of the fact that player with block glitch out of there. Of course this is only my opinion, but if you really want to make a decision you will have to talk more with active players to keep a connection with the community while making everyone happy.

I say we keep it for later updates as it has been here for a while and players have gotten used to it and currently play with it. There are downside, but if you really don't want your town's exterior to be ruined then do the work, put some buttons, and stop annoying travellers.

I also gotta come back on what keijo said "Remove the bug, make the mods job (a little) less difficult." Mate you signed up for that, it isn't new, it has been there for a while. + its not like you guys do much anyways, the average response time I get for any tickets I ever opened is 2 days !!?? And it's to tell me to wait because other tickets are being processed. The mod team is around the 20 people ( i actually dont know) I can list dozens of people that just wants to be mods, and that would be great at it. If it is that bad then you should look at the application people send you. Because yes, some people actually fill those stuff but you guys are probably too busy to check those.

Kloton

[anixrazr]

I'm fine either way, but I voted to add it back. While block glitching can be used for toxic things, it has served as a useful mechanism for general quality of life. If it isn't block glitching, players ultimately find alternatives such as trident-ing while it's raining, or enderpearling to the wilderness a claimed area. I'm not sure what specific reasons there are for its removal, but it's really not too large of an issue to me either way.

[deafkite42]

i think this poll should be asked outside of github somehow since most wont even be aware of its existence or have a github account

[limpoposex]

block glitching adds depth to movement and lets someone "schmoove". really its pretty epic and somewhat skill expressive and getting rid of it gives me cancer so add it back before it becomes terminal

[jkmartindale]

well spoken...your post is just dripping with shmooze

[CorruptedGreed]

hm nah