I cant get Pedals to Map Correctly

[larspalo]

Originally posted 2021-08-06 19:46:19.162000 by steve181 in GrandOrgue discussion forum on SourceForge

I have GO now working very well with 2 keyboards via a Midikits board into GO.
I have just completed modifying my 32 pedals to mate with that board and GO.

The problem is that the first 12 pedals do not play a note. I can see. however that they are activating the midikits board.

I have tried the Midi setup "Listen for event" and GO maps that into keys 0 -127.
I have also tried "Define Complex mid setup" and GO maps that into keys 24-55. That is 32 so GO detected at least the lowest and highest pedal. BUT, in neither case do all 32 pedals work.

I can also see the pedals pressed on the screen. They correspond to only the center keys and not 1-32.
What am I doing wrong? Thanks

[larspalo]

Originally posted 2021-08-07 09:19:56.700000 by csw900 in GrandOrgue discussion forum on SourceForge

You need to do some basic fault finding.

Forget about GO until your pedals are working and produce proper midi. Use Midi-Ox on every pedal note and check that the correct note/on and note/off midi signals are being sent to your computer. When they are sent correctly GO will work. Make sure that the pedals are all being sent on the same midi channel and that this channel is different to that of all manuals.

csw900

[larspalo]

Originally posted 2021-08-07 20:18:25.258000 by steve181 in GrandOrgue discussion forum on SourceForge

I did a google search and found that others have had the same problem.

The answer is to set Transpose to 12 for the pedals. That fixed it!!

By the way - the Midi logger in GO is really useful.

Thanks.

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[larspalo]

Originally posted 2021-08-07 23:37:40.607000 by Mark Bugeja in GrandOrgue discussion forum on SourceForge

I apologize for getting the detail for the figure wrong. It should have
been 12 not -12.
I always tend to mix this up - I had a similar situation where the Eprom
chip of the arduino circuit was coded in a certain way (MIDI for lowest
C was set at 24 instead of 36 if I recall well) and I had to resort to
this solution to compensate.

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[larspalo]

Originally posted 2021-08-07 23:43:38.830000 by steve181 in GrandOrgue discussion forum on SourceForge

Mark:

You did well. You got me thinking. Thanks,

Steve

On 8/7/2021 7:37 PM, Mark Bugeja wrote:
>
> I apologize for getting the detail for the figure wrong. It should have
> been 12 not -12.
> I always tend to mix this up - I had a similar situation where the Eprom
> chip of the arduino circuit was coded in a certain way (MIDI for lowest
> C was set at 24 instead of 36 if I recall well) and I had to resort to
> this solution to compensate.
>
> On 07/08/2021 22:18, Steven Baer wrote:
>
> I did a google search and found that others have had the same problem.
>
> The answer is to set Transpose to 12 for the pedals. That fixed it!!
>
> By the way - the Midi logger in GO is really useful.
>
> Thanks.
>
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[larspalo]

Originally posted 2021-08-07 23:58:56.920000 by Mark Bugeja in GrandOrgue discussion forum on SourceForge

I'm glad to have instrumental to you finding the solution. Since then, I
had ordered a specific chip with the lowest C coded as 36 so I never
needed to compensate again! 😉
You may have a similar issue with your pedalboard circuit board. I had
obtained an inexpensive DIY arduino kit from Ireland from a certain Tom
Scarff who was extremely helpful and offered excellent after sales service.

Mark

On 08/08/2021 01:43, Steven Baer wrote:
>
> Mark:
>
> You did well. You got me thinking. Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
> On 8/7/2021 7:37 PM, Mark Bugeja wrote:
>
> I apologize for getting the detail for the figure wrong. It should
> have
> been 12 not -12.
> I always tend to mix this up - I had a similar situation where the
> Eprom
> chip of the arduino circuit was coded in a certain way (MIDI for
> lowest
> C was set at 24 instead of 36 if I recall well) and I had to resort to
> this solution to compensate.
>
> On 07/08/2021 22:18, Steven Baer wrote:
>
> Ididagooglesearchandfoundthatothershavehadthesameproblem.
>
> TheansweristosetTransposeto12forthepedals.Thatfixedit!!
>
> Bytheway-theMidiloggerinGOisreallyuseful.
>
> Thanks.
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[larspalo]

Originally posted 2021-08-08 11:17:22.340000 by steve181 in GrandOrgue discussion forum on SourceForge

Mark:

It sounds like I am using the same board from Midikits. I bought it for
the same reasons you did: Features, price, published schematic, and good
email conversations with Tom Scarff.

I used it on my 50 year old Schober Recital that I originally built form
a kit. For sentimental reasons and cheapness, I got into both of its
Pratt-Reed keyboards and the pedals to get to the gold spring contacts
(without any intervening decoupling resistors.)  That got me pure
contact closures on key or pedal press. That (plus bus cutting into
groups of 8 mini-busses ) goes into a simple circuit for each keyboard
using the 1N4148 diodes to get to 8x8 or 4x8 to feed that board that
then feeds a small fan-less Win10 machine running GO.

That was my plan B. Plan A used some switching IC's to deal with the
decoupling resistors without having to remove the boards from the organ.
I had half as keyboard working that way, but it got too complex and I
abandoned it.

Cheers,

Steve

On 8/7/2021 7:58 PM, Mark Bugeja wrote:
>
> I'm glad to have instrumental to you finding the solution. Since then, I
> had ordered a specific chip with the lowest C coded as 36 so I never
> needed to compensate again! 😉
> You may have a similar issue with your pedalboard circuit board. I had
> obtained an inexpensive DIY arduino kit from Ireland from a certain Tom
> Scarff who was extremely helpful and offered excellent after sales
> service.
>
> Mark
>
> On 08/08/2021 01:43, Steven Baer wrote:
>
> Mark:
>
> You did well. You got me thinking. Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
> On 8/7/2021 7:37 PM, Mark Bugeja wrote:
>
> I apologize for getting the detail for the figure wrong.It should
> have
> been 12 not -12.
> I always tend to mix this up - I had a similar situation where the
> Eprom
> chip of the arduino circuit was coded in a certain way (MIDI for
> lowest
> C was set at 24 instead of 36 if I recall well) and I had to resort to
> this solution to compensate.
>
> On 07/08/2021 22:18,Steven Baer wrote:
>
> Ididagooglesearchandfoundthatothershavehadthesameproblem.
>
> TheansweristosetTransposeto12forthepedals.Thatfixedit!!
>
> Bytheway-theMidiloggerinGOisreallyuseful.
>
> Thanks.
>
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[larspalo]

Originally posted 2021-08-08 07:31:07.853000 by csw900 in GrandOrgue discussion forum on SourceForge

How do you force the midi logger window to open? This window opens when there is an error but does not open when there is no error and midi is being logged. Thus the midi data cannot be viewed.

Later: OK I have found it. It opens only when it receives a midi event and then says that perfectly valid midi events are "Warnings".

csw900

[larspalo]

Originally posted 2021-08-08 11:06:49.055000 by steve181 in GrandOrgue discussion forum on SourceForge

CSW900:

I found a drop-down menu in GO (under Audio/Midi) on which you can check
the item called: log midi events. When playing, a log window opens
automatically. Each one is preceded by a warning, even on my other test
system using an M-audio board. It is extremely useful for checking and
debugging as you suggested for the other tool. I can send a picture if
you would like.

Steve

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> How do you force the midi logger window to open? This window opens
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[larspalo]

Originally posted 2021-08-08 12:19:39.704000 by Oleg Samarin in GrandOrgue discussion forum on SourceForge

GO has a very useful feature: Listen to the complex midi event. It asks to press the lowest and the higest key and fills the settings automatically.

[larspalo]

Originally posted 2021-08-08 12:46:54.892000 by steve181 in GrandOrgue discussion forum on SourceForge

Oleg:

Thank you!  I used that feature, as well as trying manual setup. They
all produced the same problem. I also used the wonderful GO midi logger
to verify the pedal data. They are working - just mapping to the wrong
positions for GO.

With some outside help and a web search, I found that setting Transpose
for the pedals to +12 solved the problem.

GO is like my car: It has many great features - I just have to learn how
to use them.

Cheers and thanks, Steve

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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