From 693c1ac4346c567ce53f58b3fe7db17a3c2d583e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Michael Dawson Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:54:26 -0400 Subject: [PATCH] doc: add minutes for meeting Sep 18 2024 Signed-off-by: Michael Dawson --- meetings/2024-09-18.md | 114 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 114 insertions(+) create mode 100644 meetings/2024-09-18.md diff --git a/meetings/2024-09-18.md b/meetings/2024-09-18.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000..4d3a0c2b --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/2024-09-18.md @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +# Node.js Technical Steering Committee (TSC) Meeting 2024-09-18 + +## Links + +* **Recording**: +* **GitHub Issue**: + +## Present + +* Antoine du Hamel @aduh95 (voting member) +* Ruben Bridgewater @BridgeAR (voting member) +* Gireesh Punathil @gireeshpunathil (voting member) +* Joyee Cheung @joyeecheung (voting member) +* Chengzhong Wu @legendecas (voting member) +* Marco Ippolito @marco-ippolito (voting member) +* Matteo Collina @mcollina (voting member) +* Michael Dawson @mhdawson (voting member) +* Moshe Atlow @MoLow (voting member) +* Richard Lau @richardlau (voting member) +* Paolo Insogna @ShogunPanda (voting member) +* Guy Bedford (Guest) + +## Agenda + +### Announcements + +* Marco, survey open for collaborators, please complete +* Richard, Rafael released - 22.9.0 +* Matteo, there is a registration for if you are planning to go to the collaborator summit. Mandatory because we need it for planning, if you don’t fill in you don’t eat. + +### Reminders + +* Remember to nominate people for the [contributor spotlight](https://github.com/nodejs/node/blob/main/doc/contributing/reconizing-contributors.md#bi-monthly-contributor-spotlight) + +### CPC and Board Meeting Updates + +*Extracted from **tsc-agenda** labeled issues and pull requests from the **nodejs org** prior to the meeting. + +* Matteo, board meeting is at end of next week. No updates right now +* Biggest, thing to mention, Chris Williams donated JSConf trademark to the OpenJS + foundation, this means the conf next year should be JSConf. Great that it’s coming back + * Joyee, do we have any idea as when it might be, for collaborator summit colocation + * Matteo, we should know the date/time soon as you need 9-12 months to book a venue. + Will be in NA. +* Express is moving along again, recently addressed a number of CVEs + * Also published V5 but not yet tagged as latest +* Webpack is establishing new governance and getting from fresh blood. + +### nodejs/node + +* module: support __cjsUnwrapDefault interop flag in require(esm) [#54563](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/54563) + * Guy, not too many comments since last week + * Joyee, still coming down to 2 options and don’t seem to have a way to resolve + * propose that we have a vote, no objections from the 12 + * Joyee will volunteer to open the vote issue + +### nodejs/TSC + +* Let's talk about the CI situation [#1614](https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/1614) + * Michael, most pain has been removed, by mass marking tests as flaky + * Joyee, people are kind of trying to “pretend there is no problem”, we’ve had a few cycles of + this and not a great long term solution. + * Marco, is it even possible to use some funds to have people work on fixing the flaky tests + * Michael, if we go $ from Herodevs seems like a good place to invest to me. + * Gireesh, used to spend some time to help, but have not had time recently + * what is the cause, tests less robust ? + * Joyee, good number are likely caused by V8 drain task bug + * 50/50 in terms of actual bugs and tests not being good + * Marco, from what I can tell, will be hard to do anything until we have funding, due to lack of volunteers. + * Michael, unless we can find a team of people to work together then using fundings + * Matteo, issue is that often that with flaky tests they it is on platforms that may not be + developers usual platform. + * Joyee, watch tests are flaky on multiple platforms but also on Windows, most tests that fail on + a particular platform are generally just easier to reproduce on those platforms. + * also require some access. + * would be good for people who watch platforms (like AIX) look for flakes, but AIX is not really + the project + * Michael, any objections/concerns with using $ if we have some to pay some people to + * No objections + * Joyee will need to define what the objectives + * Marco, in terms of existing funds in the security bug bounty, best to leave that in case we + have urgent security work that is needed. We also should handle any investment as a longer + term effort. + * Matteo, don’t think we should use the existing bounty $, or use bounty approach. Should + have proposal were we hire somebody more long term + * Michael, agree that we don’t use bug bounty and should hire resource longer term + * Marco, windows arm64 is a common problem + * Ruben, agree maybe we should invest in machines as timeout seem machine related. + * Joyee, many of the timeouts are likely the V8 bug not the machine itself. + * Richard, machines are donated, in many cases in the tests a machine is only running one + time at a time, parallel tests run in parallel, but increasing machine size will just run more in + parallel. + * Ruben if we want to spend $ to improve things then maybe spend $ on the build front + * Richard, not convinced that it will help. + * Michael the fact that marking a bunch of tests as flaky improved getting the CI to complete + says to me that it is the tests, not the machines that were the problem. + * Richard, no macos testing in Jenkins, all that we have right now is ARM in GitHub + * there is a migration, + * Joyee, people or funded, and resources need are lined up for OSX + * Michael, resources lined up with MacStadium and volunteers and Linux LFX + resources are working on it + * Joyee, we are covered for osx stuff, and we really need to get resource to help with flaky + tests and larger machines. + * Richard not convinced that larger machines will make a difference + * Michael, don’t think there is anybody in the build WG that believe that machines are too small and causing the test issues + * Joyee, as far as I can see, adding more machines won’t help. + +## Strategic Initiatives + +## Upcoming Meetings + +* **Node.js Project Calendar**: + +Click `+GoogleCalendar` at the bottom right to add to your own Google calendar.