WinUI Community Call: September 11, 2024 #9946
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Will @Rinku-Stephen also be there to present us the survey results? #9807 (comment) |
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Yes, she will be :) |
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Can your team work with the Windows team to enable WinUI3 apps to be easily selectable as Kiosk apps in Windows Settings? It's very easy to do that with my current UWP app. I can't move on to using WinUI3 because of this limitation. |
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Could you please ensure this regression (reintroduced bug in 1.6) will not be released in the final 1.6? WinUI3: ContentDialog is missing entrance animation: #8476 |
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Well, the bug was now released in the stable 1.6 release. So I guess... please fix it in the next servicing release! |
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WInUI3 has so many memory leaks. Are there any plans to address them at all? |
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This is why we don't have somehow complex apps with WinUI3 from Microsoft. Because in a current state it's impossible. Now I understand why outlook is WebView2 app, because it's usually runs for days or even weeks. And with such memory leaks it's even worse than WebView. |
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For the page navigation scenario, there was a recent change that might help. |
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From descriptions looks like it's good improvement. But issues mentioned earlier have nothing to do with GC. You can insert GC.Collect() on every page navigation but it won't make any difference at all, because it's leaked memory... |
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It's absolutely hilarious that the perf guy on the team is in the community call showing how to diagnose, but the framework itself being plagued by such issues. |
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Not only that, remember that since its early days it was touted by the team that they went with COM (WinRT is just another COM framework basically), and C++ because of performance, and WinDev being very anti-.NET since the Longhorn days. Then one of the reasons C++/CX was replaced by C++/WinRT, was how it allowed even better performance. And here we are, still fighting performance issues of anything WinRT not being able to match classical Win32 and .NET frameworks. |
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Could you share any plans for improving performance with multiple tabs, drag-and-drop functionality, or memory usage? We would appreciate any insights or a sneak peek into what's coming. |
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Could you guys add input validation? |
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Yes please - it was once added to 1.5 experimental but then removed. What happened to it? #179 |
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any news for splash screen? |
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I don't think they ever will do anything like attaching content to an AppWindow. |
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I should answer my question!
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Can we finally have a honest roadmap on the status of C++ development experience, the lack of tooling in Visual Studio for C++/WinRT on par with C++/CX, back when C++/WinRT was announced in 2016? Especially given that C++/WinRT does not have plans to evolve beyond C++17, and apparently is unofficially in maintenance, without further improvements other than bug fixes. |
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Additionally, here is a talk from CppCon 2017 (!) about how C++/WinRT was supposed to deliver on the missing Visual Studio experience, caused by replacing C++/CX with C++/WinRT. |
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Please priortize quality, tooling support and performance over new features. Tooling is still the top pain point during my experience of the whole Appx platform, from UWP to WinUI. I have really no idea whether publishing will continue to work when I upgrade the SDK. Packaging is literally on the critical path of development. It should be dealed with much more effort to ensure every path is fine. You also need to correctly award the persons responsible for it - ensuring critical things don't regress is an impactful work, and does need a lot of effort. |
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I totally agree. However I think getting "back" to feature parity with WPF or even UWP(!) is also very important. So many things that no longer work properly, that have worked in the past. |
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Any plan for cross platform support like Xbox, Hololens etc? |
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Wait, I thought apps on Xbox went effectively unused... Is there an untapped niche market there? I know a few of my friends have said they wished there was a high-quality app that allowed them to view their captured Screenshots and Clips that are both on the Xbox Live network and on OneDrive (additional online storage providers would be an added bonus) and they'd happily pay $9.99 for it. 👀 |
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I'd like to know about the features and timeline of the upcoming |
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Forget it, they couldn't release the simple titlebar control (which was a port of the C# version, not the 0 to 100 design) in time after months in v1.6. |
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I hope they do validate its quality and decide to allocate more resource to fix issues, rather than releasing half-completed and forgot it. |
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I believe the big question is what general strategy Microsoft has planned for WinUI. As I observed last year, the team seemed not to have had enough resources to carry out the necessary actions to realize WinUI’s full potential, even things like fixing core/blocking issues. Windows users don’t really like WebUI; they prefer native apps, and we prefer them too. However, even Microsoft's own teams chose to use web to develop their apps. I think Microsoft really needs to eat its own dog food. If Microsoft really wants to create a new generation of the Windows UI framework, I think it needs to invest more resources into the team, fix long-standing bugs, and foster better cooperation with the WinUI team and other dev teams— For example, developing WinUI versions of apps like Word, Excel, and Visual Studio, making WinUI more integrated into Visual Studio (ahem, a designer), and by ensuring the WinUI development experience is more consistent with the .NET team’s efforts. Currently, the .NET team seems to focus on MAUI, while the Windows team seems to focus on WinUI. They are supposed to be the same on the Windows platform, but their development experiences are really disconnected. I like many things about WinUI, but Microsoft as a whole needs to put efforts into it to ensure its success. I think Windows developers don't want to see another Silverlight, or Windows Phone, or UWP... |
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Is Photos implemented in WinUI with a WebView2 inside? |
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Yes, for the new image editing component, added as part of the UWP to WinUI migration. Note the praise for Web technology adoption on the article. |
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If you browse the installation directory of Photos, the majority is written in WinUI3 and .NET 8. It is the experience that WinAppSDK tries to deliver for us. The editor part is hosted in web view, which should be integrating the work of another team. |
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Back to the UWP time, image editing as implemented in web and hosted in WebView (Edge). They just migrated the hosting to WebView2. |
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So true. To many apps switched to WebUI, this makes me very sad. |
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Is there a performance boost even in non-AOT scenarios in WinAppSDK 1.6? |
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When will we be able to properly use SVGs instead of font icons? |
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I would like to confirm the progress of the inkscanvas control, will it arrive in the next version, I remember asking last year. As well as when the input validation will arrive, it's really important. Improving the stability of the framework and continuing to improve responsiveness is a priority. Delays in UI operations always give the impression of poor performance and can affect the user experience bringing a negative impression of the WinUI application. |
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Some questions to be answered by the WinUI team
需要 WinUI 团队回答的一些问题
Integration of Windows App SDK issues in this place |
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I love WinUI - great work. But can you please co-ordinate releases with the other dependancy tooling. For example, the WinUI VS template took nearly a year to go from WinUI release to the VS team; and currently we have the SDK 1.6 release that needs additional components as a workaround because other teams haven't released their complimentary bits yet - the .Net SDK. It makes for a confusing release that seems buggy with temporary workarounds - not a great experience. |
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The 1.6 release was really problematic, as you mentioned. Especially that the .NET SDK is not available yet. The communication isn’t just underwhelming to developers; it also seems underwhelming to other teams. We can be lucky they didn't also shut down the WinUI community call, as they initially wanted to... |
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As a framework, WinUI should avoid exposing unnecessary details to user. After migration from UWP and WinUI, dialogs like file selection and ContentDialog are requiring hwnd or XamlRoot. I understand the technical change because there's no a single AppView bound to the UI thread, but the framework shouldn't expose this to user for simple cases. Just getting the current active window for current thread is sufficient for most cases. |
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Microsoft must really demonstrate real dedication to Windows App SDK and Win UI. As we speak, I am testing the new Windows App (which will replace Azure Virtual Desktop client). Guess what. It is a web-app, powered by WebView2, packaged as a store app. The UI only imitates some elements of Fluent design, the transition effects and animations are not there, and certain elements like Settings look totally out of place. And just don't get me started about the new Outlook or Teams. While with Teams there is a certain idea to have web islands, the core of the app could have been at least native, but for the new Outlook there is simply no excuse. |
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When and in which version will the TitleBar return? |
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Fixing Bugs in v1.7 |
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Hi, Can I request somebody ask this question (if they don't cover it). Do they have any further details on how they will be approaching the fix of the visual designer for Visual Studio. (Too late for me given my time zone to stay up for this live) Thanks |
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wait for v1.7 |
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What is the purpose of creating such a discussion when none of the questions are going to be answered? You wasted our time. Worst call ever. |
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Your comment is phrased a bit harshly, but I agree. At least half of the Community Call time should be reserved for Q&A, based on the questions presubmitted here and also chat questions. I understand it takes time, especially if overworked developers have to do this. However, some companies have a role called “Developer Relations Engineer.” I think this is what WinUI needs: a dedicated person who has the capacity to focus on the community. |
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Looks like questioning here has no point at all. The same like every Github issue, community talking with each other, but never some one from MS helps/answers. |
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Omg omg omg I had to re-read the title 10 times... This is the best news for the last ~5 years as a #windows dev and user #uwp #notdead |
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Microsoft.WindowsAppRuntime.Bootstrap.dll should be included in Windows App SDK runtime |
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Hi everyone, thanks for all the questions! We've posted the follow-up to answer as many questions as we can that we couldn't get to during the call. Here's the link to the post: |
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Please join us for the September 2024 edition of the WinUI Community Call. This event will be live-streamed to YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYRxRvF-Xc&list=PLI_J2v67C23ZqsolUDaHoFkF1GKvGrttB&index=2
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Date: Sep 11, 2024
Time: 16:00-17:00 UTC (9:00-10:00am Pacific)
Anyone and everyone is welcome - no pre-registration is required.
This will be an informal interactive live stream directly with members of our engineering team.
Format
The community call is a call among the WinUI team that is live-streamed onto YouTube. We present on new updates, share information, welcome guests, and answer your questions.
The WinUI and WindowsAppSDK teams are excited to share an overview of 1.6 stable, AOT demos, and more! We can't wait to share what's coming next and look forward to seeing you all there!
Agenda
Q&A Code of Conduct
Leave us your questions in the comments on this issue or live in the YouTube chat during the stream!
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