blog: Matrix: Bridges: when did ghosts become puppets? A: they didn't, ghosts are on the remote service, puppets are on Matrix

[Mikaela]

Most recent feedback that prompted me to open this, the term puppet may give the impression that:

"Discord users are labeled/branded as puppets who use Discord as they cannot think with their own brains."

• https://matrix.to/#/!YjuykpHibrCiFlEAiA:irc.snt.utwente.nl/$q42ufeGn_8lArTlZYh4FgQmnpEGlR6_SGDXBtYdeR6I?via=irc.snt.utwente.nl&via=matrix.org&via=feneas.org (in Finnish)

Yesterday I was wondering in Finnish also when did the term change from ghost to puppet and it seems that the term never changed, they were supposed to have a fine difference on ghost being at Matrix and puppet on the other side, possibly with strings going to Matrix where the puppeted user would be controlled from, but in practice everyone is using the two words interchangeably.

• https://t.me/matrix_fi/33914 / https://matrix.to/#/!rCWNvpCTZHQkiRYUDE:matrix.org/$S6lwRGxKHG_N5EoFLqfvGo_sW3nh-HSg1H8EaWZ4WsM?via=hacklab.fi&via=matrix.org&via=kapsi.fi (still in Finnish, my random question)

• puppetit oli kai tarkotus olla matrix käyttäjien sillan avulla hallitsemia tilejä muilla alustoilla ja ghostit oli sillan hallitsemia matrix tilejä (Tulir)

  • Toisinsanoen tarkoitus siis oli, että puppetit sillan toisella puolella ja ghostit tällä Matrixin puolella? (puppets on the other side, ghosts on Matrix)

    • https://matrix.to/#/!rCWNvpCTZHQkiRYUDE:matrix.org/$C3dStfX5Bgy3mL3yfOoR0YmM51Yz-PKU5HtP4PyM7O0?via=hacklab.fi&via=matrix.org&via=kapsi.fi

I also asked this on the #bridging:matrix.org room and am yet to get an (serious) answer

• https://matrix.to/#/!ViClwbclMrgQwyPuvH:matrix.org/$3lsETMHXH7-8IVHWt8sbnKC3UUxOja0yDh3rKI4yylw?via=matrix.org&via=feneas.org&via=tchncs.de

[Mikaela]

ghosts and puppets are two distinct things:
a ghost is a virtual matrix user of the remote service
a puppet is a puppeted remote user from a matrix account

confirmed Sorunome

• https://matrix.to/#/!ViClwbclMrgQwyPuvH:matrix.org/$ytN-k-VFuAsL8msiv9NirAb8xSjSYQpxo8TK33AqQX4?via=half-shot.uk&via=matrix.org&via=gitter.im

[Mikaela]

so, soru uses mx-puppet-bridge to use her own discord account
in that way, her own discord account becomes a puppet of her matrix account
the other people talking on discord now appear as ghosts within matrix

• https://matrix.to/#/!ViClwbclMrgQwyPuvH:matrix.org/$NAJgS7H3Ff5b0nco0KJeiH2HU3xlkUOTeRBHe65um1Q?via=half-shot.uk&via=matrix.org&via=gitter.im

[Mikaela]

Oh, I am forgetting a term entirely

double-puppeting btw is if your remote account and your own matrix account can act as a puppet for the other one, so with the discord case: if soru were to then use the official discord client and send a message, it'd appear as her own matrix account, making her own matrix account a puppet to discord in this case

• https://matrix.to/#/!ViClwbclMrgQwyPuvH:matrix.org/$OIWkXvMhlBDAJ4jUYYvnb6HLSPP5kH0I2YIUdpC1ZW8?via=half-shot.uk&via=matrix.org&via=gitter.im