Maybe it's not up to you to decide what's best for China

[suzker]

Why I'm doing this: in March 2015, my girlfriend's mother was kept 15 days in prison without trial or accusation

My goals: make the Great Firewall of China GFW block Stack Overflow pages where I have posted, in order to make Chinese programmers:

• mad and demand direct elections, freedom of speech and human rights
• talk to me, so I can gather pro-freedom contacts and better understand China: Twitter or Github.
• Public contact preferred, even if anonymous. If you really need privacy, ciro.santilli.contact [at] gmail.com
• less efficient and work less well for the Dictatorship"

I'm am sorry if this affects you negatively personally. I love China and its people. But I believe that it is the best in the long run. Your government exploits and lies to you way more than democracies do.

Hi, hope this post finds you well.

I came across your profile on S/O and follow your links to here. I am very sorry for what happened to your girlfriend's family, because I believe in freedom of religions and everyone deserves a fair trail.

But your reaction to this, adding sensitive keywords to S/O, expressing opinions whether you know the true meanings or not trying to trigger the GFW/Censorship in China and make Chinese programmers 'mad', IMHO, is not rational and to some extend childish, even with what happened to your girlfriend.

I hope you had time to read the guidelines for S/O: http://stackoverflow.com/help/be-nice, where it specifically says, and I quote:

Bigotry of any kind. Language likely to offend or alienate individuals or groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. will not be tolerated. At all. (Those are just a few examples; when in doubt, just don't.)

Sure you are doing favors for your girlfriend and possibly other people who might also in similar situation, but ...

What about ordinary professionals who just want to enjoy/contribute to knowledge base like S/O?

What about S/O, for taking a risk losing all visits from China?

What about other users on S/O, for loosing all the inputs from Chinese professionals in the future because they don't get to visit S/O?

You want justice but you are not really doing justice to others. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO SO

I also hope you keep an open mind to things you might not have chances to truly understand, since you don't live in China (I assume). There's also a term called confirmation bias, where people tend to filter information they gathered in favor to what they believed in. I hope this is not the case. Read more books, read books on both sides, talk to people on both sides and please quote evidences to support your own acts.

[cirosantilli]

Hi suzker,

https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/tree/f7a41fb4f44fe0d538ec5451efaf0880c0a9e954#you-are-not-chinese-you-cant-interfere-in-chinese-politics

Thanks for you reply!

is not rational and to some extend childish

The fact that you had any action and replied, already reached my goal: increasing awereness.

YOU HAVE NOT RIGHT TO DO SO.

If you think so, please open an issue on meta: http://meta.stackexchange.com/ for the community to decide.

I don't think I'm alienating anyone (except the Chinese dictatorship), on the contrary, I'm fighting for a more inclusive society.

Same goes for example for the change of color on the SO log supporting gay rights: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/297859/can-stack-overflow-and-metas-logos-be-changed-temporarily-to-the-loveoverflow

but what about ordinary professionals who just want to enjoy/contribute to knowledge base like S/O?

If those people sit idly without helping their neighbours, then I do want to reach them.

I know its not so simple: it takes a lot of courage to risk your life and family to help someone else. Maybe I don't have it. I don't blame them. I just want to raise their awareness to make the communists weaker.

Don't worry, SO it not going to be blocked. And even it it is, it will not affect the programmer community because you can all use wall jumping, or will develop better wall jumping.

The communists don't want to block sites: its bad popularity. If we force them to, we hurt them.

confirmation bias,

Yes, that is very hard to bipass, and everyone has it.

When it comes to those political questions, not matter how much you research, it's hard to change your mind, much like religion.

I acknowledge I may be wrong.

That said, I do try to keep a list of all arguments, pro and con and an open mind. I if you have any that I haven't seen, let me know.

If a source is linked to China government or FLG, I try to mark it clearly. Of course, many Chinese consider any foreign media anti-chinese... maybe that is half true... but I'm sure every Chinese media is 100% pro-commie :-)

Cheers!

[bioinformaticsgx]

半句中文都不懂的货色，有什么资格谈论中国政治和网络政策？

中国网络政策的根本原因难道是控制言论？我笑die

中国网络封锁的根本原因是，扶持本国的互联网产业，不让互联网产业这种万亿级别的大肥肉落入西方手里；所以才有今天唯一可以跟美国抗衡的中国互联网产业，关乎国家经济，安全个个方面。

如果你读不懂以上的中文，就请你闭上嘴，没人当你是哑巴。

你想改变中国，就麻烦入中国籍，从基层做起，当上中国的国家主席/领导人/元首，不然你这种ATTENTION WHORE只不过是逆着历史车轮的臭虫，和法轮功一起被中国这座巨轮无情的压的粉碎

[wgtdkp]

@UWGabrielXu 你是国家领导人？“中国网络封锁的根本原因是...” 这个结论是从哪里得到的？审查不止审查美帝啊，国内的网站审查更厉害啊。

你这让我想起了一个典故啊：农场里面的鸡鸭牛羊整天狂吠乱叫不得安宁，闹着要到栅栏外面去。农夫就告诉它们，外边有狼，于是就一直安静下去了。

你这是自己意淫一个敌人，吊起来打。倘若你是手握权力的赵家人，如此为审查辩护也算事出有因，但是你不过一个普通百姓而已，被强奸了还为施暴者辩解的心态着实让我不解。

[22v2]

半句中文都不懂的货色，有什么资格谈论中国政治和网络政策？

中国网络政策的根本原因难道是控制言论？我笑die

中国网络封锁的根本原因是，扶持本国的互联网产业，不让互联网产业这种万亿级别的大肥肉落入西方手里；所以才有今天唯一可以跟美国抗衡的中国互联网产业，关乎国家经济，安全个个方面。

如果你读不懂以上的中文，就请你闭上嘴，没人当你是哑巴。

你想改变中国，就麻烦入中国籍，从基层做起，当上中国的国家主席/领导人/元首，不然你这种ATTENTION WHORE只不过是逆着历史车轮的臭虫，和法轮功一起被中国这座巨轮无情的压的粉碎

要批评什么就要成为它的 leader?
假如学校饭菜有问题，我要改变它是不是要当校长？
如果质疑手机有问题，我要提出意见是不是要做他们公司的老板？
如果是这样那就好笑了，除非一个人又是校长又是各行各业的老板，才可以去提意见，不然受的罪都要自己忍气吞声？
对自己好点吧，别再宣扬社会达尔文主义了。已经是现代了。

如果你是习近平，当我没说。

[wzcprince]

Hi suzker,

https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/tree/f7a41fb4f44fe0d538ec5451efaf0880c0a9e954#you-are-not-chinese-you-cant-interfere-in-chinese-politics

Thanks for you reply!

is not rational and to some extend childish

The fact that you had any action and replied, already reached my goal: increasing awereness.

YOU HAVE NOT RIGHT TO DO SO.

If you think so, please open an issue on meta: http://meta.stackexchange.com/ for the community to decide.

I don't think I'm alienating anyone (except the Chinese dictatorship), on the contrary, I'm fighting for a more inclusive society.

Same goes for example for the change of color on the SO log supporting gay rights: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/297859/can-stack-overflow-and-metas-logos-be-changed-temporarily-to-the-loveoverflow

but what about ordinary professionals who just want to enjoy/contribute to knowledge base like S/O?

If those people sit idly without helping their neighbours, then I do want to reach them.

I know its not so simple: it takes a lot of courage to risk your life and family to help someone else. Maybe I don't have it. I don't blame them. I just want to raise their awareness to make the communists weaker.

Don't worry, SO it not going to be blocked. And even it it is, it will not affect the programmer community because you can all use wall jumping, or will develop better wall jumping.

The communists don't want to block sites: its bad popularity. If we force them to, we hurt them.

confirmation bias,

Yes, that is very hard to bipass, and everyone has it.

When it comes to those political questions, not matter how much you research, it's hard to change your mind, much like religion.

I acknowledge I may be wrong.

That said, I do try to keep a list of all arguments, pro and con and an open mind. I if you have any that I haven't seen, let me know.

If a source is linked to China government or FLG, I try to mark it clearly. Of course, many Chinese consider any foreign media anti-chinese... maybe that is half true... but I'm sure every Chinese media is 100% pro-commie :-)

Cheers!

傻逼你要明白，中国的大部分程序员都会翻墙！！！！！！！
You big asshole MUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND most programmer in China has multiple ways to visit ALL websites all over the world freely!!!!!!!!!!!