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GRID harmonization #42
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Hi, if I understand well, you need EEA reference grids, that can be found there, up to 1km cell size: https://data.europa.eu/euodp/data/dataset/data_eea-reference-grids-2 |
As discussed in today's telco, AIT (@bernhardsk ) will provide the reference vector grids: 1km2, 500m2, 250m2 and 100m2. (These grids will cover the whole europe) |
Please AIT (@bernhardsk ), can you upload the rest of the reference grids (other resolutions) and upload them to ATOS ftp? The folder where to store them is: Thank you in advance. |
I already uploaded 10km and 100km grid resolution into ATOS FTP: Anyway as i understood from Mattia, 500m and 250m are the more important ones. |
Ok, let us know when the reference grids are uploaded. We need them ASAP to do the interpolation we committed to have today. |
We've uploaded some reference grids to the FTP. You can find them at the directory: Europe/reference_tiff |
I generated the grids for 1km, 500m and 250m and I uploaded the generated file (compressed via .7Z) to the FTP server. I also added the small JAVA file, which I used for generation - just for documentation. I uploaded also a shape file for the rotated pole EUR11 grid. |
OK, we'll take a look at the files and come back if we have any question. On a side note, are you going to work with CSV files? This is a very odd choice and not a very common format for geo data. |
these csv files will be transformed into shape or geopackage format (event into geotiff if necessary) |
Sorry for generating .CSV file, but that was the most efficient way for me to generate the file by hand and to compress them and to Transfer them to the FTP Server. YES, the implemented projection of the polygon used EPSG:3035 projection. |
What is the EUR11-Grid? The Hazard Grids come in NetCDF files and contains a grid using a "rotated pole coordinate System" (EUR11) So you can use Standard Shape-Viewer to visualise the hazard data from NetCDF without understanding the "rotated pole projection". |
Organisation of Grids on National Level?! (proposal) As I assume, the handling of the rasters for "ALL EUROPE", especially for 250m-Grids, will NOT be successful and lead to unacceptable performance and ressource damand, I suggest to switch to a National Organisation of data. As we have selected the Country during the definitin of a study, this can then be used as a Parameter to select the right datasource. I think, this should be discussed and decided!! |
Supposing that we have the whole vector grid layer in a Postgis database (and exposed via Geoserver WFS), you will never retrieve the whole layer but only the area of your study. That's the purpose of using a query with the bounding box (or irregular polygon) defining the study area. |
That's right! once in a Postgis db exposing data via WMS for viewing or WFS for working with, by means of an OGC compliant software like Geoserver, the GetMap requests with bounding box parameters are used for keeping the data transfer limited to only the necessary with good performances. |
I have converted the 500m csv to the GeoPackage format and uploaded it to the sftp. (Un?)surprisingly the new file is 4GB (compressed is about 183MB) which is way bigger than the uncompressed csv. It remains to be assessed the performance of using PostGIS database for operating with it (note: check some optimizations that should be included in the database such as clustering the data in the table according to the spatial index: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/11/sql-cluster.html) It also remains to be checked, but I guess the raster version might be also lighter ... |
We have just uploaded a bunch of layers to the FTP:
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I have tried to put some order in the sftp (more in particular in the folder related to the european reference grid). Please, when uploading data to the sftp try to be consistent with the folder and file names, othewise sometimes is not evident to know what is it about. See the example below, I have renamed the files indicating if it is a csv, geopackage or geotfif |
I am not sure if it makes sense resampling the heat wave duration index (and other datasets) from the 1km resolution to the 500m ... as we are producing something from a coarser resolution. It should be the other way around, from the 500m2 aggregate the data for producing a 1km2 if it is necessary. Besides, I thought it was agreed to have for all datasets produced by the project in a resolution of 500m2 for the screening. |
Both grids, 500 and 250m are in Atos Potgis database, also pubished in ATOS Geoserver as WFS. |
I need help on regard of the European etrs laea 500m grid. For some reason it is missing Iceland, so cities there (like Reijkavik) are not going to be working for input layer for local effects generation. In the end I understood @humerh are the one who provided the grid, and I do not know if a new version can be sent to me or if the Iceland part can be sent independantly to be put togheter with the rest in Atos database or if the gridID’s are not needed in such case I can keep using the one I just generated. |
This was originally posted in: I moved it here, it says:
I was able to generate a 500m cell grid for Iceland and then isolate those cells overlapping Iceland boundaries, so now I am addding those cells to the old 500m laea etrs grid for europe, now to be complete including Iceland and having Reijkavik working, so now land use percentages for Reijkavik can be generated. The only problem wich I need help with, is that each gridid are not there but I am not sure if they are needed... so should I create them somehow? but I am not sure how to do it. Europen grid ETRS LAEA 500m has those gridid's looking like: "500mE15470N10320" Does all this make any sense or should I remove Reijkavik? Originally posted by @negroscuro in clarity-h2020/data-package#59 (comment) |
You kan find the shapefiles of iceland here: So currently we will not be possible to generate results for this regions, as we also have no population data. After some minutes of "googling" I found an additional data set, which we should handle: It would be possible to import also these population data and also the grid definitions of these countries; after this import also these countries can be supported. |
That dataset only includes 1km x 1km grid for Iceland. The problem now is solved since Reijkavik can be generated, not all needed is there, but as you point the mortality data for those other cities are not in our database, so if you can share that data, it would be nice to add them, I will try to import it but I guess most of those cities are not available among the cities from urban atlas, ESM and STL, that means we will no be able to generate local effects for them but we can add them anyway just in case datasets improve in the future... |
Are we really discussing the heat mortality on Island?
While we are at it, how about Greenland? :-b
Mario Nuñez <notifications@github.com> schrieb am Do., 9. Jan. 2020, 17:10:
… That dataset only includes 1km x 1km grid for Iceland.
I manage to create the grid for 500m x 500m cells matching the rest of the
european grid.
The problem now is as you point the mortality data for those cities. If
you can share that data, it would be nice, I will try to import it but I
guess most of those cities are not available among the cities from urban
atlas, ESM and STL, but we can add them anyway just in case...
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I found grid data in FTP, but for population I assume you imported it in your system so probably I need an URL's to access it like the other mortality data you provided, am I right? |
I am having issues to import new grid you provided: -Error because SRID is 0 instead of 3035 (I tried a workaround by setting new table SRID to 0 to be able to import all, and then planning to do a conversion to 3035 but I do not understand why it says it is 0 since coordinates look pretty similar to the ones in 3035) |
The featureName for the population is: "tab.CLY_POPULATION.2016". It is important to know, that on the boarder between countries you will get the grid (GridId) for each country extra. So it may be, that a grid cell exists more than one time. The structure of each grid cell is constructed very simple: So it is no miracle to construct this grid raster manually. |
Nice, I will download mortality data. But regarding the grid, I am not sure to understand. If I try to insert new grid for iceland in database I got an error because of gridid is not unique, so I do not know how to add that dataset to our database... Do you mean I have to remove each duplicate manually and croscheck gridID being the correct one? It also gave me error on the SRID 0... which cause not to complete the operation since database expects SRID 3035 |
I finally updated the european grid with Iceland area generating gridIds as explained by Heinrich which is a result of combination of coordinates from cells. Like this: |
In order to make the re-projection, we'd like to know more about the output GRID.
We already know that it must be EPSG 3035 but we also need the reference raster.
I guess we'd also need a reference raster for Europe, one for Naples, and, in the future, one for each DC and probably, one for each study area we'd like to cover. In this case, who will be defining this reference raster? (Is this specified in the Data Package? Is it created when the user selects an area? Any other option?)
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