Info about Python 3.13 compatibility

[anthonywu]

I expect people will use the newest Python 3.13 and try to install mflux and fail. Sharing the latest compat info that I gathered.

Known blockers

• torch needs to provide wheels for macOS Python 3.13 tracking issue

As of October 10, torch nightly builds shows *cp312-none-mac* as the latest matches. We need to wait for cp313-none-mac to be available then can test with pip install --pre torch --index-url https://download.pytorch.org/whl

  × No solution found when resolving dependencies:
  ╰─▶ Because only the following versions of torch are available:
          torch==1.0.0
... snipped ...
          torch==2.4.1
      and torch<=1.5.0 has no wheels with a matching Python implementation tag, we can conclude that torch<1.0.1 cannot be used.
      And because torch>=1.5.1 has no wheels with a matching Python ABI tag and you require torch, we can conclude that your requirements are unsatisfiable.

I expect torch to update within a month.

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• mlx's CircleCI configs needs to build and distribute wheels for 3.13

As of Oct 10, https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aml-explore%2Fmlx%203.12&type=code shows 3.12 as the newest python versions accounted for.

  × No solution found when resolving dependencies:
  ╰─▶ Because mlx==0.18.0 has no wheels with a matching Python ABI tag and you require mlx==0.18.0, we can conclude that your requirements are unsatisfiable.

I have a local git clone of mlx that I compiled with python3.13 and I can get it to install, so I expect this to be resolved soon upstream.

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other libraries

these other libraries do not pip install as of Oct 10, but I did not investigate how ready these upstream projects are for 3.13

• tokenizers tracking issue
• sentencepiece

Unknown blockers

there may be transitive dependencies that also need to distribute wheels for 3.13 before mflux project can advertise 3.13 support

[anthonywu]

ml-explore/mlx@9bd3a71 adds Python 3.13 to the CI, so am expecting a Python 3.13 mlx wheel in coming days.

[anthonywu]

solved (for devs to preview) in #90

1. mlx is now available for 3.13
2. tokenizers now has a new build for 3.13
3. sentencepiece not upgraded but not required by tokenizers anymore after update
4. torch preview builds via pip install --dev can be found on nightly builds (been available for at least a week)

Not good enough to close issue for now, but all developer types can be unblocked to move forward.

[anthonywu]

sentencepiece can be built from source and become pip installable by Python 3.13

the build instructions from the original repo works as is! https://github.com/google/sentencepiece/blob/master/python/README.md#build-and-install-sentencepiece

% git clone https://github.com/google/sentencepiece.git /your/path/sentencepiece
% cd sentencepiece
% mkdir build
% cd build
% cmake .. -DSPM_ENABLE_SHARED=OFF -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=./root
% make install
% cd ../python
% python setup.py bdist_wheel
% pip install dist/sentencepiece*.whl

This produces an artifact to uv pip install /your/path/sentencepiece/python into the Python 3.13 env.

The trick is, can this be packaged reasonably for intermediate users while Google takes its time updating the 3.13 wheel for the library...