Live Edit and dockable game window #2338
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I'd like to try that, but honestly I don't have the slightest clue about On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 2:58 PM, David Paiva notifications@github.com
OkamStudio |
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please do consult other developers... maybe from other applications... they may have been in the UI OSS business for years... The thing I noticed about godot is that it's like it came out of the cave without knowing the latest/modern/advance trends with the UI... please update... if starting over is the key, please do... :) |
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Dude I'm not stupid, If you know other applications that can dock a On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Manson Mamaril notifications@github.com
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why limit to Unreal and Unity? |
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also he might mean this one... |
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As I said, Godot runs the game in a separate process, while Unity and On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Manson Mamaril notifications@github.com
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"Godot runs the game in a separate process, while Unity and Unreal do not." That would be a better explanation. It's easier for me (and maybe for them) to accept that it's hard to implement... |
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I wouldn't mind implementing it, but i seriously doubt this is possible. On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Manson Mamaril notifications@github.com
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does MAC have some similarities with linux under the hood? because If I am correct also does this on mac... |
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not for the graphics part On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Manson Mamaril notifications@github.com
OkamStudio |
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I mean the thing where they do the editor and game in the "same" process... but still about undocking tabs would be great... like now... :) |
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I just wonder why ui was implemented this way (this is a different app btw, just to illustrate similarity), only inside the application: and not like the image of unity above where the tab is floating... |
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It's simpler to do the way Godot does it, and also has some advantages such On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Manson Mamaril notifications@github.com
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Technically it's good... as the original post says it's better to be able to undock... and add minimize button and close... like unity and adobe... to cater to 2-monitor and easy customization... Floating window from adobe: Workspace presets from adobe: |
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Oh yeah... how's the tinkering with Overlap2D? |
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Well you can definitely intercept OpenGL calls from a child process and run them in the parent process, it's how debuggers work. Here's an open source project that does it: https://github.com/dtrebilco/glintercept I guess you would have to two-way this by throwing input events down to the child process too. Although I do not appreciate @mamarilmanson tone at all and think he is being frankly rude, this is not an impossible task. Though it is obviously equally non-trivial. |
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I've just come across this, though I don't even know if the extension really exists anymore. https://www.opengl.org/registry/specs/EXT/import_context.txt |
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I'm not trying to be rude... I apologize for the impression I made... |
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@Fiona ~ I was curious about this one: https://github.com/dtrebilco/glintercept |
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Gimp don't have a version that have all windows in one window and another 2015-08-06 8:37 GMT-03:00 Manson Mamaril notifications@github.com:
David Aguiar de Aquino Paiva |
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@draxdeveloper ~ wait? what??? O_O I mean... I don't get it... -_- |
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People please don't ask for nearly impossible tasks, please. There is only two main devs of godot who are burning their free time to bring this wonderful engine to us. Godot games are running in different process and that means they are practically different programs than editor from the operating System point of view. The thing what you are asking for would be more suitable for some kind of scientific research then "just implement this", don't be greedy, live editing is working really and it's really awesome this feature is available. Also @mamarilmanson I don't think it's good idea to start writing Godot right from the beginning because you don't like the ui or it's core architecture. There are other engines around I would recommend to try them if you don't like Godot. Also it's OSS project and this mean you guys can contribute, so you can always try to implement nearly impossible feature you want. |
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2015-08-07 6:49 GMT-03:00 kubecz3k notifications@github.com:
Sorry, i dind't know the complexty David Aguiar de Aquino Paiva |
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@mamarilmanson commented 2 days ago
Really, it's about trends now? I would rather prefer Godot's devs to work on some new functions or got few more bugs squashed out or let them take time and rewrite audio engine - if they really had no other things to do ;) - than to resolve not existent "fashion" UI problem, that is suppose to make Godot look "modern". Lets face it. Running the game in separate window is completely fine, especially if you can now run your game on android and edit it real-time. |
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@freemanfromgodotengine no, UI is important as well. Best example was Blender < 2.5. It was horrible to use so it was hard for CGI Artists to switch to Blender. And a big community report more bugs, create more plugins or documentation. |
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^ What I was saying... |
It is actually quite doable, XReparentWindow does just that. SMPlayer, for instance, has been doing that for a long time. But the problem is godot's internal windows aren't "real" windows that the window manager is aware of. |
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indeed. I think it might be possible to do with compositing, but i'm not On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 2:39 PM, seadra notifications@github.com wrote:
OkamStudio |
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@mamarilmanson : I honestly don't give two fucks about modern trends, and usability wise I don't really see any advantage of having your game in a docked window. It's one of those features that I would add if it was easy to do, but not worth the effort otherwise. In the case of Unity, if you have a single monitor, it's unusable when they are split in two and in the case of Unreal, the editor window is replaced by the game. So in the end, it's the same thing. You are always focusing in one of the windows anyway, so doing alt-tab won't kill you. It just works fine. As I said before, I worry the most about actual usability issues of people working on projects and using Godot, not so much about those who say they would use if it worked this way or another, or if it supported C#, drag & drop, etc. I need good examples of how usability is a problem in the current way and how the new way makes it better, arguments such as "Unity does it this way and I like it" or "This way uses more modern conventions" don't work in my book even if valid. You need to get more technical and refer to real, actual problems with existing use cases. |
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I think make game window dockable is wasting time.
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better is dual monitors but, come on, do you really want to change tabs all the time? or see the game squashed while editing? no, makes more sense to invest in a monitor or just press alt+tab, maybe it's worth to pause the game while editor window is active, so you wont lose a physic reaction or something, but personally, i dont see why limit the game window position to a space inside of the editor is better... |
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Okay here's a real suggestion: Get the client to remember which screen they were last on, where they were previously and what size window they were because currently they seem to open as default every time (at least for me on Arch Linux using Awesome VM, though it could be Awesome messing with me, please correct me if this is the case.) With this then multiple monitors becomes a truly viable option otherwise it's still a pain in the arse usability wise to have to keep dragging it on to the other monitor every time you open. |
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I'm getting a second monitor to be able to add this feature :P On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Fiona Burrows notifications@github.com
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<3 |
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@reduz you can borrow one of my monitors at the office, I'm not using them atm :p |
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If this feature alone will take so much time and resources, then leave it. |
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Plus one for enhanced Networking On 11 August 2015 at 02:06, 0azizi0 notifications@github.com wrote:
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wow, a lot of discussion here o0 |
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@draxdeveloper Unfortunately, some wars are started by totally innocent person without any bad intentions 😞 (Gamergate?) |
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It seems the right way to do this is via GL_NV_copy_image extension, but it does not seem to be widely supported (there does not seem to be anything like this on Intel for example, but most AMD chipsets support it). In any case, there does not seem to be a fast way to do this at the moment, Vulkan may provide a solution but we are a long time from that. As such, closing for now. |
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Adding some context as there are some newer issues on the subject, but this remains one of the top google results: godotengine/godot-proposals#1864 Which was then closed in favour of: |
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7 years ago... XD |
since we have a live edit, would be a nice ideia that we can dock the game window in the editor window, so we don't need to do alt+tab or two screens...
Also, since i am on the docking topic i would like to be able to undock the script and debug window, it would be useful to the ones with two screens (not my case, but still would be good)
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