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PTK-800 But only for mining #2401

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@dvir001 dvir001 commented Nov 13, 2024

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Editing the damage out of the PTK-800 projectiles

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Did you know the PTK-800 is used for mining?
Almost didn't know that with how its getting used now.

Overall the damage nerf also means it wont self destroy itself when you mine + lifetime might make it more easy to avoid reflects.

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Place one, place some ore in front, mine with it normally

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N/A If you used it for mining nothing changed.

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  • tweak: The PTK-800 Range and damage lowered, mining ability stay the same with the PTK-800 able to mine without self destructing itself on reflects.

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AJimmyU commented Nov 14, 2024

With this change, the PTK-800 can't mine asteroids due to actual walls being present on asteroids and creatures blocking shots.

It will only be able to mine a few exterior tiles, being made even more useless than it is with self-destruct reflect damage.

The shots will also be stopped by ore crabs / golems that will get spawned even if you manage to mine out a bit from the asteroid.

Suggestion: remove PTK-800 if you are unwilling to make it actually work for mining asteroids without crippling drawbacks, it's a trap for new players to waste credits on. It's not hard, make it reliably mine out an asteroid, walls of asteroids included, ore crabs included. If it can't do that, it is intentionally designed to be bad at mining and therefor should not be sold as a mining tool.

Prediction: PTK-800 will only be used on orange asteroids as they do not spawn walls, PTK-800 will be built intertwined with emitters to kill ore crabs, PTK-800 will remain a new player trap and unusable for mining due to walls / crabs on non-orange asteroids.

Simple summary:

Asteroid = walls + crabs
This PR = can't kill walls + crabs
PTK-800 = can't mine asteroid

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Jakumba commented Nov 14, 2024

This does feel like a bit of a knee jerk reaction.

If the problem is people building massive array's of PTKs to clear UIVs or VGroids then maybe they could be nerfed in another way? For example, increased power consumption to make running an entire wall of them less appealing since now you have to shell out extra money for an AME or extra PACMANs, and keeping it fueled becomes a concern if you're actively mining.

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This PR completely ignores what the PTK is in-universe (essentially a big ship-mounted PKA) and leaves a gaping Obvious Rule Patch-shaped hole in immersion.

A healthier change that achieves a similar end goal would be to make the same low damage change to the PKA and find some way to make ore elementals (arguably made up of the same general materials that the rock they emerged from is) still take a meaningful amount of damage from kinetic bolts. This allows the PTK to have a singular function of mining asteroids without being shut down by a couple of rad crabs and a coal golem, and you won't have people blasting wizard ships lengthwise with them.

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dvir001 commented Nov 14, 2024

Making ore elementals changes is another PR, this PR is first about changes to PTK.

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AJimmyU commented Nov 14, 2024

Making ore elementals changes is another PR, this PR is first about changes to PTK.

Can you explain how you intend to make ore elementals be affected by PTK without changes to PTK?

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dvir001 commented Nov 14, 2024

- type: GatheringProjectile

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Cheesers be damned

@ErhardSteinhauer ErhardSteinhauer merged commit 7077bc7 into new-frontiers-14:master Nov 14, 2024
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people literally in here trying to link to "tv tropes" as a reason not to fix a broken item in game because it lets the bypass intended mechanics.

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