The Native Pad for the Future.
This draws inspiration from text-editors like HackPad, Google Docs, iCloud, Evernote, Quip, as well technologies for the future of the internet. Decentralization, p2p, self hosting, containerization, transparency, are all proposed topics of discussion.
- Razor down the concepts into a succinct set of core functionality.
- Build an agile architecture that can be extended.
- Engineer interfaces and foundation for the community.
- Implementation
https://gitter.im/PadThing/PadThing/archives/2015/07/03
@ds0nt
Hey faddat
hey Nguyen
@faddat
and @thanhson1085. There we go.
@thanhson1085 are you the Coreos / Docker meetup organizer here in Hanoi?
TeknoShamin 19:55
+1 for the fork.
almereyda 22:06
I'm in. How do we proceed? First evolving the strategy document; then looking at selected implementations, extracting milestones of wished feature sets and then implementing?
faddat 22:11
well
Okay for me, I used to be a teacher-- US History, high school level. Anyway, I'm a startup geek now. Here's the point though: Quip is weak sauce
and closed
it eats your docs in the long term
Then there's Google docs, which you may as well forget about in China, and therefore by extension increasingly large swathes of the economy
but-- if one had a secure P2P, native to the desktop, native to android native to ios
ds0nt 22:13
hey, people are here!
faddat 22:13
collaborative editing tool
ds0nt 22:13
Hi all
faddat 22:13
well, it would more or less rock.
ds0nt 22:13
I wrote http://forky.io
To give a bit of background
faddat 22:14
I'll lay out a rough list of requirements that I suspect that you'll find in all academic environments
ds0nt 22:14
mindmapping, so know a bit about rt collaboration.. well.. but fresh start is needed
tech is all changed in 8 months
sweet
where should it go?
I just had a brilliant idea:
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almereyda 22:30
@ds0nt : is there a source for forky? does it have oauth2 adaptors (to twitter/github/google+/persona/...) ? could you please serve it over https, if you request users to trust you with their passwords? ;)
ds0nt 22:36
@almereyda Yep, it's either itdawns/forky or ds0nt/forky
Ahh, it sortof doesn't work very well at the moment
Because I make a mess out of nodejs backends, every time.
I have discovered that, if I code it all in one long .js file, things become much nicer... koajs is short enough for me to get away with it for small/medium things
oauth2 adapters, nope. I'd be interested in porting it into Golang
If I had a collaborator or two
Or, there is also that.. thing with all the oauthing.. grake ? hmm
ds0nt 22:42
https://github.com/simov/grant
thats the 1
almereyda 03:16
Okay, I'll have a look. I also have some notes about the comparison I've mentioned above. Can take a week until I find them ...
ds0nt 04:11
Ok so let
I'm going to put my thoughts down so that we can get discussing.
So here's what collaborative text editor looks like to me...
as a whole, genre of apps.
ordered from used most to least extensively (which also happen to be best to worst experience.
quip (also, the best)
hackpad
google docs
OneNote (microsoft)
ds0nt 04:18
How I use them
I always am using these docs in order to communicate with my team, and jot things down.
Topics include: business, development roadmaps, product ideas, recording as I research (ux screenshots, lists of urls, etc.)
and Quip wins out completely on that
because, well, there's a freaking chat
it's not even that good
but @faddat and I still use it to communicate with our vietnamese investorish guy, and it works... lol
Key Point: Collaboration is first citizen (or w/e)
Next up: Mobile needs to be there
Apps that don't get on at least 2 of my devices don't stick around.
Because I end up using evernote, and then I have to meditate cause I feel all green and useless
Key Point: 1) App goes on -> Website & Desktop, and mobile... I say..
ds0nt 04:23
I don't see how one project can span across three languages and actually be maintained correctly across the board, so it's sorta impossible to do anything other than webviews.... but hey...
webviews work well :)
Android App: SocialAgent.me mine from when I thought what I designed looked cool... haha, it's done in cordova/phonegap
pretty easy to do really, just a nuisance to deal with the edge cases
like the status bar on an iphone6 takes up 60 pixels that overlap the web view, so you have to add body padding to the top after checking for IOS
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ds0nt 04:30
erm.. where am I going here...
faddat 04:30
the right directiion
undoubtedly
ds0nt 04:31
Collaboration is important
Apps on all devices
Real-time
A foundation for community growth
4 is a hard one
faddat 04:32
the frameworks change too fast
in general
ds0nt 04:32
There are a lot of programs with horrible plugin ecosystems. Take for example... atom IDE
half the shit broken, nodebb forums same thing
dockerhub, half the shit is broken.... even lol
faddat 04:33
I cant stand dockerhub
it needs community cuation
ds0nt 04:34
me neither, I end up in some github repo tree with too many choices
I think that golang did an incredible job
and I think we can learn from them
http://talks.golang.org/2014/organizeio.slide#4
the whole deck is good, not just slide 4, oopsies
iOS also did it well
ios made sure that all their apps were this way or that, and though it pisses me off... they sortof are doing well.
ds0nt 04:39
Golang changed things up to make it super collaboration friendly, the whole language. Go looks sharable by design, at least from looking at those slides. (I have a hello.go)
@faddat yeah, it does.
@faddat dockerhub needs a new hub.
:p
I think also... polymer might be designed with that somewhat in mind. My only problem with polymer is... I don't put my code in google-prison
but it's ok! because I will free the html prisoners!!
http://i.imgur.com/cRnPL1V.png
lol
I want their paper elements :)
ds0nt 04:45
We might need to gather more troops to execute this
if anyone has troops, get em into this discussion, and anyone you think
has wisdom for us
So guys, please follow up with more brainstorming and we can start to form something of a plan. :)
ds0nt 04:51
Also let's all follow eachother on twitter, for wins. im twitter: ds0nt
I think we should steer this for open source and not really enterprise, because open source is better, going to win, and I want to be part of the team that won in five years
ds0nt 04:56
the right directiion
thanks @faddat :P
I'm going to poke some quip dudes and see what they do
ds0nt 05:10
well I hope they stop by.