2023-11-prague

Work meeting at Prague on 2023-11-03, Hackathon at IETF 118

Time: Friday, November 3rd, 09:00-17:00 UTC (work meeting)
Saturday, November 4th and Sunday, November 5th (Hackathon)

Location: IETF 118 venue, Room Florenc 1/2 @ Prague Hilton, Prague, CZ

Meetecho: https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=6926e324-e1d3-4704-957f-53584db705b3

Local time in various locations:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=T2TRG+work+meeting&iso=20231103T0900&p1=1440&ah=8

We are currently looking at an overall structure of the Friday agenda like this:

Time	Subjects
1000–1200	Welcome; 10:30: draft-lee-asdf-digital-twin (KST timezone), Security topics: Raytime; active RG documents
1215–1345	(Lunch break)
1345–1530	(Security overflow), Secure Discovery & self-description security considerations; more self-description issues Protocols and Specifications
1530–1600	(Coffee break)
1600–1800	non-IP Cluster: Intro, NIPC, Onion CoAP, GATT…

Specific subjects proposed (not complete, please fill in):

Security Topics

(Christian Amsüss:)

• https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-amsuess-t2trg-raytime/

  as a short intro, with the questions of "does this fit here" and "where (else) was this already (almost) done"?

(Active documents:)

• https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-t2trg-security-setup-iot-devices/
• https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-t2trg-taxonomy-manufacturer-anchors/
• https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-t2trg-amplification-attacks/

Secure Discovery, self-description security consideration

(Carsten Bormann:)

• discovery access control, 
secure discovery, 
privacy-preserving discovery -- Security Objectives and how to get there (Continuation of May 2023 discussion)

(Ari Keranen:)

• W3C TD security considerations

Pivoting over to general self-description topics

self-descriptions: instance vs. class

이현정 (Hyunjeong Lee):

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lee-asdf-digital-twin/

(Presentation set at 10:30 to fit Korea timezone.)

self-descriptions: reading a YANG datastore without fully understanding it

(Laurent Toutain)

Non-IP Cluster

• Naming and Identity in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-amsuess-core-coap-over-gatt/

(Eliot Lear:) [not in first slot]

• OSS for both SCIM and the forthcoming non-IP control (NIPC)

(Christian Amsüss:)

• https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-amsuess-t2trg-onion-coap/

  with the intention to gather feedback and rally people to actually run the experiment

• https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-amsuess-core-coap-over-gatt/ How does this fit into the non-IP picture

• https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bormann-t2trg-slipmux/ (as an example of Proximity-based "discovery")