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SIP-46 - Use Scala CLI to implement the 'scala' command #46
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title: SIP-NN Scala CLI as default Scala command | ||||||
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**By: Krzysztof Romanowski and Scala CLI team** | ||||||
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## History | ||||||
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## Summary | ||||||
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We propose to replace current scripts that are installed as "Scala": `scala`, `scalac` and `scaladoc` with Scala CLI - a batteries included tool to interact with Scala. Scala CLI brings all the features that the commands above provide and expand them with incremental compilation, dependency management, packaging and much more. | ||||||
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## Motivation | ||||||
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The current default Scala scripts: `scala`, `scalac`, `scaladoc` are quite limited. Beside that, the `scala` command that starts the Scala REPL is hardly used by non-power users. | ||||||
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The current scripts are lacking basic features such as support for resolving dependencies, incremental compilation or support for outputs other than JVM. This forces any user that wants to do anything more than just basic things to learn and use SBT, Mill or an other build tool and that adds to the complexity of learning Scala. | ||||||
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We observe that the current state of tooling in Scala is limiting creativity, with quite a high cost to create e.g. an application or a script with some dependencies that target Node.js. Many Scala developers are not choosing Scala for their personal projects, scripts, or small applications and we believe that the complexity of setting up a build tool is one of the reasons. | ||||||
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With this proposal our main goal is to turn Scala into a language with "batteries included" that will also respect the community-first aspect of our ecosystem. | ||||||
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## Proposed solution | ||||||
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We propose to gradually replace the current `scala`, `scalac` and `scaladoc` commands by single `scala` command that under the hood will be `scala-cli`. We could also add wrapper scripts for `scalac` and `scaladoc` that will mimic the functionality that will use `scala-cli` under the hood. | ||||||
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The complete set of `scala-cli` features can be found in [its documentation](https://scala-cli.virtuslab.org/docs/overview). | ||||||
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Scala CLI brings many features like testing, packaging, exporting to sbt / Mill or upcoming support for publishing micro-libraries. Initially, we may want to limit the set of features available in the `scala` command by default. Scala CLI is a relatively new project and we should battle-proof some of its features before we commit to support them as part of the offical `scala` command. | ||||||
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Scala CLI offers [multiple native ways to be installed](https://scala-cli.virtuslab.org/install#advanced-installation) so most users should find a suitable method. We would like these packages to become the default `scala` package in most repositories, often replacing existing `scala` packages. | ||||||
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### High-level overview | ||||||
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Let us show a few examples where adopting Scala CLI as `scala` command would be a significant improvement ofer current scripts. For this, we have assumed a minial set of features. Each additionnal Scala CLI feature included, such as `package`, would add more and more use cases. | ||||||
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**Using REPL with a 3rd-party dependency** | ||||||
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Currently, to start a Scala REPL with a dependency on the class path, users need to resolve this dependency with all its transitive dependencies (coursier can help here) and pass those to the `scala` command using the `--cp` option. Alternatively, one can create an sbt project including a single dependency and use the `sbt console` task. Ammonite gives a better experience with its magic imports. | ||||||
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With Scala CLI, starting a REPL with a given dependency is as simple as running: | ||||||
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```scala-cli repl --dep com.lihaoyi::os-lib:0.7.8``` | ||||||
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Compared to Ammonite, default Scala REPLs provided by Scala 2 and 3 - that Scala CLI uses by default - are somewhat limited. However, Scala CLI also offers to start Ammonite instead of the default Scala REPL, by passing `--ammonite` (or `--amm`) option to `scala-cli repl`. | ||||||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. IMO it isn't appropriate to include In the context of Scala CLI, the REPL is not so limited anymore. In particular, it can use dependencies specified through Maven coordinates. So I don't think there is anything fundamental that we need Ammonite for. There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. That is a good point. That is why we were considering making some of the options non-stable so we can drop them at any point, and ammonite may be such an opinion. |
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Additionally, `scala-cli repl` can also put code from given files / directories / snippets on the class path by just providing their locations as arguments. Running ```scala-cli repl foo.scala baz``` will compile code from `foo.scala` and the `baz` directory, and put their classes on the REPL class path (including their dependencies, scalac options etc. defined within those files). | ||||||
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Compilation (and running scaladoc as well) benefit in a similar way from the ability to manage dependencies. | ||||||
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** Providing reproductions of bugs ** | ||||||
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Currently, when reporting a bug in the compiler (or any other Scala-related) repository, users need to provide depencencies, compiler options etc. in comments, create a repository containing a projet with a Mill / sbt configuration to reproduce. In general, testing the reporoduction or working on further minization is not straightworwad. | ||||||
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"Using directives", provided by Scala CLI give the ablity to include the whole configuration in single file, for example: | ||||||
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//> using "com.lihaoyi::os-lib:0.7.8" | ||||||
//> using options "-Xfatal-warnings" | ||||||
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def foo = println("<here comes the buggy warning with Scala Native and os-lib>") | ||||||
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The snippet above when run with Scala CLI without any configuration provided will use Scala Native, resolve and include `os-lib` and provide `-Xfatal-warnings` to the compiler. Even things such as the runtime JVM version can be configured with using directives. | ||||||
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Moreover, Scala CLI provides the ability to run GitHub gists (including multi-file ones), and more. | ||||||
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** Watch mode ** | ||||||
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When working on a piece of code, it is often useful to have it compiled/run everytime the file is changed, and build tools offer a watch mode for that. This is how most people are using watch mode through a build tool. Scala CLI offers a watch mode for most of its commands (by using `--watch` / `-w` flags). | ||||||
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### Specification | ||||||
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In order to be able to expand the functionality of Scala CLI and yet use the same core to power the `scala` command, we propose to include both `scala` and `scala-cli` commands in the installation package. Scala CLI already has a feature to limit accessible sub-commands based the binary name (all sub-commands in `scala-cli`, and a curated list in `scala`). Later, we can include more and more features from `scala-cli` into `scala`. | ||||||
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The sub-commands necessary to include in the `scala` to match the functionalities of current commands: | ||||||
- `compile` | ||||||
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- `repl` | ||||||
- `doc` | ||||||
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On top of that, we think that the following user-facing sub-commands should also be included: | ||||||
- `clean` - to rebuild project from start without any cached steps | ||||||
- `setup-ide` - to control the setup of BSP for IDE integration | ||||||
- `doctor` - to analyze if everything is installed properly | ||||||
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We also suggest to include additional sub-commands by default: | ||||||
- `fmt` - to format the code using scalafmt | ||||||
- `test` - to run tests included in the code | ||||||
- `package` - to package the code into various package formats: JAR, "fat" be, executable be or even native application or docker image | ||||||
- `shebang` - a command useful for scripting, designed to be included in the "shebang" section of scripts | ||||||
- `export` - transform current project to sbt / Mill project using the same settings as provided. Useful to evolve prototypes into bigger projects | ||||||
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Each of these commands expands what the current scripts offer and can be discussed separately. We can even open a dedicated SIP for each of them. | ||||||
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Beyond that, `scala-cli` offers multiple sub-commands needed to manage itself (e.g. `update`) or its components (e.g. the Bloop server). In most cases, | ||||||
these are not user-facing, but still handy. We can elaborate in more detail on what those commands are and why we need them, if necessary. | ||||||
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Scala CLI can also be configured with ["using directives"](https://scala-cli.virtuslab.org/docs/guides/using-directives) - a comment-based configuration syntax that should be placed at the top of Scala files. This allows for self-containing examples within one file since most of the configuration can be provided either from the command line or via using directives (command line has precedence). This is a game changer for use cases like scripting, reproduction, or within the academic scope. | ||||||
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We have described the motivation, syntax and implementation basis in the [dedicated pre-SIP](https://contributors.scala-lang.org/t/pre-sip-using-directives/5700). Currently, we recommend to write using directives as comments, so making them part of the language specification is not necessary at this stage. Moreover, the new `scala` command could ignore using directives in the initial version, however we strongly suggest to include comment-based using directives from the start. | ||||||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. If the There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. On the same topic, I will repeat here, in the context of the SIP process, an opinion I have already expressed elsewhere. I believe The reason boils down to: I know that tooling people don't want to read this, because it means they need to support it. But that is not different from anything else that goes through the SIP process. Moreover, as pointed out above, they will have to deal with those "comments" anyway to respect the program semantics. So I consider that objection as moot. |
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Adopting Scala CLI as the new `scala` command, as is, will change some of the behaviour of today's scripts. Some examples: | ||||||
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- `scala repl` needs to be run to start a REPL instead of just `scala` | ||||||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. What is the reason that just There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. The old/current I think it would be good to discuss what can be kept, perhaps even for a limited deprecation period, of the old And if it is not possible to keep old behaviour e.g. with a deprecation message, then I think there should be a helpful error message about the new way, that is aware of the old way so that error messages are relevant to those who have the old way in mind. I think it would be good if the proposal could include this in an analysis of:
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. (Forgot to write that I think Scala CLI is awesome!!! ❤️ ) There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I also wonder why we can't have There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I have opened an issue to change the default: VirtusLab/scala-cli#1249 There is slight problem with the behaviour of the There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. Great! I made a comment on the help text in the new issue. (scala help etc should give the help text for the whole tool IMO). |
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- with `scala compile` and `scala doc`, some of the more obscure (or brand new) compile options need to be prefixed with `-O` | ||||||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. It seems to me that this should be addressable. There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. We decided to curate the list of options ourselves (with keeping the list of compiler options) instead than fall back on the compiler since we have a lot of options (e.g. So this is a case where we decided that the experience of most users (especially the newcomers) is more important than 100% compatibility, especially in the really obscure cases. |
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- Scala CLI recognizes tests based on the extension used (`*.test.scala`) so running `scala compile a.scala a.test.scala` will only compile `a.scala` | ||||||
- Scala CLI has its own versioning scheme, that is not related to the Scala compiler. Default version used may dynamically change when new Scala version is released. | ||||||
- By default, Scala CLI manages its own dependencies (e.g. scalac, zinc, Bloop) and resolves them lazily. This means that the first run of Scala CLI resolves quite some dependencies. Moreover, Scala CLI periodically checks for updates, new defaults accessing online resources (but it is not required to work, so Scala CLI can work in offline environment once setup) | ||||||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. Could you elaborate on that? When is Scala CLI allowed to upgrade the version of Scala? You don't want to change the version of Scala under the feet of someone (and that includes from one day to the next) without them explicitly asking for (or at least accepting) an upgrade. My suggestion would be that, when Scala CLI compiles/runs/tests/whatever a "project", if it doesn't find at least a
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. If no version of Scala is provided, Scala CLI will pick the latest supported version, and that can change overnight (usually after the Scala is released). The supported Scala versions per version of Scala CLI are defined here, and Scala CLI periodically checks it. We do not promise any specific behaviour with regard to dynamic versions so that we can change it. I can an option that once code is incrementally compiled, it will not change the version (so there are some files present indicating that the version was picked). In such a case (when we have an indication that code was once compiled) the warning will be printed if a new version is detected. I am not saying this is a good approach, just one of the options we can adopt if we want to increase stability. |
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- Scala CLI can also be configured via using directives. Command line options have precedence over using directives, however using directives override defaults. Compiling a file starting with `//> using scala 2.13.8`, without providing a Scala version on the command line, will result in using `2.13.8` rather than the default Scala version. We consider this a feature. However, technically, this is a breaking change. | ||||||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I find it surprising that the SIP describes the command-line arguments as the prime means of configuring it, and There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. Scala CLI is cmd-first, and that is why cmd args take precedence. For us, a situation when a user tries to compile code providing a given version of Scala and another is picked would be confusing. There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I think I wasn't clear before. Command-line args should definitely take precedence over file configuration. This is a universal good practice among all software. But |
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Scala CLI brings [using directives](https://scala-cli.virtuslab.org/docs/guides/using-directives) and [conventions to mark the test files](https://scala-cli.virtuslab.org/docs/commands/test#test-sources). We are not sure if both can be accepted as a part of this SIP or we should have seperate SIPs for both (we have opened a [pre-SIP for using directives](https://contributors.scala-lang.org/t/pre-sip-using-directives/5700/15)) | ||||||
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I believe this SIP should at least specify the Likewise, if we do introduce the |
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Scala CLI is an ambitious project and may seem hard to maintain in the long-run. // TODO | ||||||
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The main open question for this proposal is wich commands/features should be included by default in the `scala` command. Another aspect is the release cadence: should the new `scala` command follow the current release cadence for Scala CLI (every 2 weeks) or stick to Scala one (every 6 weeks)? | ||||||
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There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. Given that Scala CLI will dynamically resolve various Scala versions, I don't see the point in tying its release schedule to that of dotc. There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. I am also all for the independent release scheme but @julienrf and others shared some concerns about this, and that is why I have included it as an open question. There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. Currently, the setup instructions tell you to run What do we want Otherwise, we can decide that the version of There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. IMO, For the Python lovers, compare with There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. After a discussion with Sébastien, here is a suggestion about this point: when someone invokes Example:
Or:
There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. Good point, I created an issue for it: VirtusLab/scala-cli#1250 There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
What is the motivation for mixing up the concerns of the version of It would be useful for the default scala version ( $> scala-cli compile --help | grep scala-version
-S, --scala, --scala-version version Set the Scala version However, a useful error message is displayed if an unsupported value is provided. $> scala-cli run --scala-version 7 Example.scala
[error] Cannot find matching Scala version for '7'
You can only choose one of the 3.x, 2.13.x, and 2.12.x. versions.
The latest supported stable versions are 3.1.3, 2.13.8, 2.12.16.
In addition, you can request compilation with the last nightly versions of Scala,
by passing the 2.nightly, 2.12.nightly, 2.13.nightly, or 3.nightly arguments.
Specific Scala 2 or Scala 3 nightly versions are also accepted. Ideally, the defaults of other command line flags, such as I agree with your suggestion that "inspecting" a project would be a welcomed addition. Perhaps this use case would be better as a new subcommand that could provide more information about a project/file. For example, the configured scala version, the Currently, I find Overall, I'm finding There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
I guess someone who installed Scala would be very likely to try A similar situation is when someone starts a REPL session. We show both the JDK version and the Scala version because both are useful. |
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Scala CLI has many alternatives. The most obvious ones are sbt, Mill, or other build tools. However, these are more complicated than Scala CLI, and what is more important they are not designed as command-line first tools. Ammonite, is another alternative, however it covers only part of the Scala CLI features (REPL and scripting), and lacks many of the Scala CLI features (incremental compilation, Scala version selection, support for Scala.js and Scala Native, just to name a few). | ||||||
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## Related work | ||||||
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- [Scala CLI website](https://scala-cli.virtuslab.org/) and [road map](https://github.com/VirtusLab/scala-cli/discussions/1101) | ||||||
- [Pre-SIP](https://contributors.scala-lang.org/t/pre-sip-scala-cli-as-new-scala-command/5628/22) | ||||||
- [leiningen](https://leiningen.org/) - a similar tool from Closure, but more configuration-oriented | ||||||
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This section will probably initially be empty. As discussions on the proposal progress, it is likely that some questions will come repeatedly. They should be listed here, with appropriate answers. |
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NOTE: Not part of the SIP committee, just a passerby with a comment.
Firstly, I really enjoy
scala-cli
, and I believe it's a much needed tool. I'm really excited to see this here. However, I also think we should try to avoid hyperbole here. This is listed as one of the main points up here in motivation with the crux of the argument being what I quoted up above.Here is the minimal build tool setup in sbt including a dependency
A single sbt command can also get you a fresh hello project that a user can just do
sbt run
and seehello
. The same exists in Mill as well, which is arguably even easier.Here is the same with scala-cli
Is the difference above really what is limiting creativity in Scala? Is learning the basic sbt structure somehow more complex than learning using directives in scala-cli?
You do mention some good points here:
No doubt cross platform support is confusing in build tools, but seeing that this is a giant change in the ecoystem by changing the way someone first interacts with the language I think the SIP should include a couple things.
Mainly because investing time into a brand new tool is also an extremely high cost. Especially in a tooling ecosystem already starved of maintainers and contributors.
None of this means we shouldn't do it, but it just means we should be crystal clear about the why, and seeing that this is listed as one of the main motivations of this SIP I'd expect the questions up above also to be crystal clear in the document, and after reading this SIP they weren't answered for me.
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@ckipp01 I can imagine that we in some future could have an official list of curated libs so that we could write something like:
and that level of simplicity would be really nice from a beginner perspective, and this SIP is taking a big step towards that level of quality UX. (or is the new cool buzzword rather DX now 😄 ) To avoid strange % and %% and : and :: that learners get intimidated by...
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O for sure, but again, this doesn't address the main question I had about the effort going into a new tool, vs addressing these pain points in the existing tools. Take the example you have up above, and there actually are discussions about them both in Mill and in sbt. We shy away from talking about it, but in Scala we have a handful of tools that almost all have single maintainers, and sometimes barely that. A lot of pains points we feel could be addressed given focus and people time. Imagine adding up all the hours of various devs that have gone into making
scala-cli
, and imagine putting all those hours towards exiting issues and problems. What would have a greater impact on the ecosystem?Again, I want to reiterate that I'm not saying this necessarily as a reason against
scala-cli
, I'm happily usingscala-cli
, but it's just a big glaring question mark still, is all the effort going intoscala-cli
(which also forces other tooling to put in effort to support this new tool) a net positive vs if all that effort was put into existing problems and tools. Maybe the answer is yes, starting from a clean slate offers us the greatest impact to make a change for the better in welcoming newcomers, addressing exiting problems, and pushing the boundaries of the existing tooling ecosystem. If that's the case, then I'm 110% behind it. Sign me up. For me personally, as someone who spends a lot of my time trying to help maintain other tools, answering the above question is most what I'm curious about.*If this was just a project some person or company was working on because it was fun, or something they deemed worth it for them, cool. But I'm harping on the above so much because what we're proposing is a fundamental change to how someone is introduced to Scala, both from the command line and the editor. It's a big deal.
*I want to recognize that this isn't an easy question, or a new one. Balancing older stable tools with pain points and addressing them vs pushing the boundaries with new shiny ideas that don't fit within the confines of the existing tools. However I believe this just justifies putting the decision and answer to this question right at the forefront to show that it's really been discussed and thought about.
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😆 I'm so happy to see this being used here.
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I would like to emphasize this point with a concrete example of “build definition” for Scala CLI:
https://github.com/VirtusLab/typed-frames/blob/5b6ca450d9c14a0c668283f00e1847298a9af050/publish-conf.scala#L1-L8
I don’t think this is significantly better or simpler than the equivalent with sbt, gradle, mill, etc. It just looks the same: you supply the information to put in the pom.xml that will ultimately be published.
So, my suggestion would be to rephrase the sentence that raised this discussion to position Scala CLI differently. I don’t think it improves much the landscape of build tools, but I think it improves significantly the current Scala interpreter (the one we get with the
scala
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A thought from a humble non-affiliated Scala user:
I feel that an analogous explanation might be helpful here why/how it's better than Ammonite, which is the incumbent featureful configurable Scala interpreter.
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As far as I know, it lacks some features, see e.g. com-lihaoyi/Ammonite#1093
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Related: https://contributors.scala-lang.org/t/why-doesnt-scala-have-library-listing/5696
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May I humbly suggest to extend the section as
For similar reasons as with sbt or Mill, Ammonite is an already existing tool that shares some similarities with
scala-cli
. I'm suggesting this, because I think it would be helpful to the wider Scala community to write down the reasons why it was better to start from scratch instead of building on top of Ammonite. Thank you :)There was a problem hiding this comment.
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Since it is very much a first expression I believe it matters, yes. It's similar to arguing that
static public void main(args: String[])
is of so much of an issue, which is true, but since it's the first thing a newcomer sees it matters.