August 28, 2019

Time/Place

This meeting is a hybrid teleconference and IRC chat. Anyone is welcome to join. Here is the info:

• Time: 1:00pm Eastern Daylight Time US (UTC-4)
• Zoom link: https://zoom.us/j/203396828
• IRC:
  • Join the #islandora chat room via Freenode Web IRC (enter a unique nick)
  • Or point your IRC client to #islandora on irc.freenode.net

Attendees

• Daniel Lamb
• Aaron Birkland
• Alan Stanley
• Alexander O'Neill
• Brandon Weigel
• Bethany Seeger
• Charlie Tillay
• Chris Kellen
• Debbie Flitner
• Don Richards
• Eli Zoller
• Jared Whiklo 🌠
• Jonathan Green
• Mark Jordan
• Minnie Rangel
• Natkeeran
• Paige Morfitt
• Paul Cummins
• Rosie Le Faive
• Seth Shaw
• Tammy Wolf

Agenda

1. Discussion: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/islandora/FOT2-wv-_jU
2. Related Tickets:
   1. https://github.com/Islandora-CLAW/CLAW/issues/1057
   2. https://github.com/Islandora-CLAW/CLAW/issues/942
   3. https://github.com/Islandora-CLAW/CLAW/issues/1255
   4. Should we make any more?
3. Other recent issues:
   1. https://github.com/Islandora-CLAW/CLAW/issues/1254
   2. https://github.com/Islandora-CLAW/CLAW/issues/1253
   3. https://github.com/Islandora-CLAW/CLAW/issues/1252
4. ... (feel free to add agenda items)

Minutes

1. Lack of clarity about as to what makes an object is a repository object versus normal content. Coming to this from the librarian side. Used to Islandora where it does both, it holds introductory pages and repository objects together but as distinct objects.
   • Some misleading stuff between something (node|media) that is only in Drupal and what is in Fedora.
   • Suggestions:
     1. Tell if we are in a Islandora thing by looking at it in Drupal.
     2. No feedback with remote microservices.
     3. Why use Fedora if you aren't ensuring everything is in there.
   • Understanding where all our "stuff" is located is an interesting question. In Islandora 7.x/Fedora 3 learning the RELS-EXT was difficult and opaque. Because Islandora 8 is trying Linked Open Data and abstraction for microservices this can be harder. Mark wrote https://github.com/mjordan/islandora_whole_object to help learn what a whole "Islandora" object contains.
   • Improving logging to ensure that data is shared back to the front-end so people can view it. https://github.com/Islandora-CLAW/CLAW/issues/942
   • Queue of log messages and better logging messages, also some sort of REST API to POST Drupal watchdog messages.

   • ISLE just introduced a TICK stack in v 1.2.0 — that stack aggregates the logs there. https://islandora-collaboration-group.github.io/ISLE/optional-components/tickstack/ Maybe this could be useful in dockerizing islandora 8 … but also maybe off track to this conversation.

   • ELK Stack: Elasticsearch, Logstash, Kibana | Elastic https://www.elastic.co/what-is/elk-stack

   • Pull all the contexts and filter by the content-type to create a set of expected operations, then track them as events.
   • It's a view of the object as it should be, not necessarily as it is.
   • Dashboard to list all the objects in your repository. This object should be in Fedora, Gemini has the Fedora URI, ping of Fedora gives 200. Simple ✅
   • Jared's eyes started to weep.
   • Lots of talking about how the technology can limit interaction because it is quite complex to understand and until you understand it you might feel hesitant to say it doesn't do X.
   • Unclear what a repository object is and what it should be. Have a discussion with users (ie. librarians) to determine what they think a repository object is, and see if there is a gap. If not, look at re-framing the discussion to make it clearer.
   • Jared developed carpal tunnel syndrome.
   • Drupal to Fedora is confusing because there are various objects created in Fedora. For example an Image
     • Node -> RdfSource (this describes the image, ie. picture of Jared)
     • File (JPG) -> NonRdfSource (this is the image)
     • Media (links Node -> File) -> NonRdfSource/fcr:metadata - This is a separate RdfSource that is tied to the binary above.
     • In Fedora 3, this would be one object. In Fedora 5 it is two.
     • Currently they are not ldp:contained (so deleting the Node, doesn't delete the Media) they are both just in the repository.
     • They link to each other via their Drupal URIs. The Recast microservice has a planned use to add the Fedora object to Fedora object relationships back into these Fedora resources, but it has not been done yet.