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IPFS Integration - Roadmap and discussion #819
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What are the next steps to shipping Brave with IPFS? My understanding is that Brave is going to use a custom build of Chromium because it does not support custom protocols without the Quoted from arewedistributedyet/issues/23
However he road block is upstream; getting Chromium to support DWeb protocols - which seemingly has been officially started on Aug 17 2018 Quoted by asanka@chromium.org from /chromium/issues/detail?id=651311
Assuming the protocols get supported and are included in a near future build of Chromium. What will the general integration process look like? Will the If it is used, is the sample code below seem close to the general concept? Redirecting ipfs:// traffic to a ipfs gateway?
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On HTTP-based Protocol HandlerWhen requirement for The problem with having Still.. better than nothing :) On Native Protocol HandlerAs noted in brave/browser-laptop#9556 (comment) API at An experimental, native protocol handler API is being designed as WebExtension API at mozilla/libdweb/#protocol-api and It is in a relatively a far future, and we could plan for delivering integration without native handler (see below). Integration Milestones
Short Term: Choosing HTTP backend for IPFS CompanionWithout native protocol handler API we can't fetch data from IPFS directly and need to use HTTP gateway so URLs still work and can be opened by HTTP-based handler registered with HTTP Gateway can be provided by either locally running go-ipfs or js-ipfs running in Node (js-ipfs running in browser context can't open TCP port to serve HTTP requests). We could also just use public HTTP Gateway (go-ipfs) at In the short term I would go with go-ipfs due to reasons listed in ipfs/ipfs-companion#312 (comment). I see three ways to deliver integration:
If (1) is not possible then go with (2) to minimize maintenance burden and user confusion. I would love to see (1) – what are the next steps to move in that direction? Long Term: Adding Missing APIs for Native Handler, Discovery and TransportTo get all benefits of IPFS (and other p2p protocols) we need at least:
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I really like shipping go-ipfs with Brave! 👍 Not only is it great UX, but it add a competitive advantage to Brave from a product growth perspective. Similar to how Tor Tabs incentives users to move from the commercial browsers to Brave (because of its added feature set) How do we go about adding a program the way Tor Tabs did. Looking through the project in brave-laptop I find browser-laptop/blob/master/app/tor.js
and which seems to pull the binaries from S3 (interesting)
Does this suggest we need to host the IPFS go binaries somewhere and these are pulled in and installed with Brave? Is there someone who worked on TorTabs and has insight to the process of shipping a binary with Brave? |
@bsclifton thanks for suggesting help from @riastradh-brave and @darkdh. Looking at their commits pertaining to Tor build packaging and the build_tor_scripts I've pieced together these basic next steps:
i've added a repo at /drbh/ipfs_build_scripts as a starting point for the build scripts. also i've created a fork of brave/browser-laptop and added a branch called ipfsPackageBuild at /drbh/browser-laptop with what seems like the necessary files for brave to fetch the binaries. The signature need to be updated in package_ipfs after the binaries are correctly built, and some adjustments to ipfs version are needed. I'm most confused about the build process for the ipfs_build_scripts, because the tor_build_scripts seem to add dependencies in a specific way like If anyone has insight on the build process this would be greatly appreciated. I hope my boilerplate code is helpful. |
@drbh thank you, the insight is really appreciated! Yes, our official Docker image for go-ipfs is built on top of We also have https://github.com/ipfs/distributions which is responsible for fetching and publishing pre-built artifacts at https://dist.ipfs.io/#go-ipfs website. I can reach out to people and see how much of already existing process can be reused. Before we dive into details, I have a question about I ask because we already have pre-built go-ipfs binaries for platforms you target with Brave and we could download them from there just like it is done with Tor on win32 here. It would simplify entire setup by removing a lot of moving pieces. |
@lidel your a genuis! Pointing out how Tor win32 is built was super helpful.
Retrospectively it seems like overkill to build from source. I was doing so only because I was following the path that the Tor binaries needed. I understand now that they only built them from source for dynamic linking purposes - it seems that the Windows binary doesn't need the same dyn linking that the
Based on this we have two paths forward - including some sample code to get close to the intended goals
It seems like the first way of fetching the binaries within Brave is the easiest path forward. However it is noted that Tor binaries have been compiled and pushed to a S3 location. Maybe there is value in this data flow, however it seems unneeded for IPFS because it doesn't depend on dynamic linking. I can take on the |
@drbh To keep momentum going let's go with direct download for now (1) and see if that works well enough. If it turns out we need custom build for some platforms or Brave decides they want to host files at S3 to control user experience end-to-end, we can always add step (2) at a later stage. FYI dist.ipfs.io has a valid DNSLink, which means fetching from https://ipfs.io/ipns/dist.ipfs.io/go-ipfs/v0.4.17/ (or any other public gateway) will also work. If we have that, next step would be making sure ipfs daemon is initialized and configured for Brave.
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for packaging binary, I suggested taking a look at brave/brave-core#316, we use different method in brave-browser. |
@darkdh thanks for the suggestion. I am looking at /brave-core/pull/316 now and I don't fully understand where the binary is pulled and packaged. Looking in /brave-core/tree/master/browser/extensions I see a few files that reference Tor but they seem to only reference a Tor client update. Questions
Any clarification is greatly appreciated! Thanks |
Updates!
In addition - the biniary is pulled via dist.ipfs.io
Issues
ipfs daemon starts when the ErrorAbove code that fails:
I don't exactly understand why the build fails when using IPFS packaging and barebones daemon management - ipfsPackageBuild branch |
@drbh apologies for not getting to it earlier, slipped thru my notifications. The main use for Are you still blocked by the above error? Update: I think a safe path would be to create a PR to brave-core-crx-packager that creates CRX bundle with IPFS binary similar to one already present for Tor, and then get some feedback on what are the next steps for the Chromium version. |
Just submitted a PR brave/brave-core-crx-packager#21 following the Tor CRX bundling |
Will creators be able to earn Brave Rewards for content distributed over IPFS? Creators could claim their IPNS by publishing the The Brave client would have to recognize and attribute time spent on |
@da2x This is such a good idea. Lets implement IPFS first and then integrate it into the attention economy! |
Notes on bringing IPFS to Brave in 2019I had a chat with @bbondy about ways we can deliver better IPFS experience in Brave, given where both projects are right now. Below is a short (well, I tried..) summary of takeaways and low hanging fruits we were able to identify to speed up IPFS integration. Today: IPFS works in Brave, but UX could be much betterIPFS Companion extension can be installed in Brave from Chrome Store, with some caveats:
Future: how it could workWe want to ship native IPFS support with Brave in 2019. MVP:
Ideal:
How to get there?In 2019 there are two ways to do enable it, each comes with own set of challenges: (A) Bundling go-ipfs binary with Brave and talking to it via ipfs-companion
(B) Embedded js-ipfs running in ipfs-companion (WebExtension context)
Which one is more feasible?While (A) was the way we planned to integrate in 2018, (B) is self-contained (execution context is limited to ipfs-companion extension), which may be easier to manage, audit and ship today, as IPFS project has a lot of relevant plumbing in place in js-ipfs and ipfs-companion thanks to mozilla/libdweb and other work that happened in recent months. Shipping Brave-powered js-ipfs node in ipfs-companion being Sidenote: both (A) and (B) can benefit from native Protocol Handler API:
What are the next steps?IPFS roadmap for bringing IPFS to Brave in 2019 will include (P0 - priority):
Note: "Bundling go-ipfs with Brave" is still a possibility, and work done on extension responsible for binary updates may be resumed and used in the future, but we want to see if we can expose HTTP Gateway over If js-ipfs approach takes too much time, or (P0/MVP) does not work as expected, we can always focus back on bundling go-ipfs. |
@lidel js-ipfs doesn’t support IPNS or DNSLink. You’d have to implement it in the Companion, which we discussed briefly in relation to the TTL and DNS caching behavior. Supported in go-ipfs. Speaking of DNSLink, does trying to access a transparently HTTP gatewayed resource over an DNSLink mapped domain count as “the first time user tries to access IPFS resource”? Detecting this is non-trivial without either doing DNSLink requests for every domain; or bundling a list of IPFS enable domains and gateways (like the HSTS preload list). |
@da2x js-ipfs is actually making good progress on those fronts: IPNS over pubsub and DHT will be enabled by default in js-ipfs 0.35, but we can experiment with it today as it is opt-in since v0.34.0. DNSLink lookup already works. In web browser context js-ipfs is delegating lookups to our public gateway (runtime/dns-browser.js), and in the future this can be improved by using a dedicated WebExtension API (like this one), falling back to one of public DNS-over-HTTPS providers or implementing Node.js
I think good candidates for "detecting IPFS without ipfs-companion" (very light on resources):
See also Detect IPFS hints and display extension install prompt (#3045) |
Thank you for making strides in this direction! One aspect of a deeper integration between Brave and IPFS is more intuitive viewing/loading of IPFS-hosted files, based on MIME type. In ipfs/ipfs-webui#920 I brought up the fact that the way that the embedded video player in Chrome doesn't work ideally with how IPFS loads data at a low-level; even if a Brave user doesn't have an IPFS node running of their own, I think there's an opportunity there for how the Brave browser itself loads and views videos and pictures if it detects it's being loaded via IPFS could be optimized. |
Carried over from brave/browser-laptop#9556
@diasdavid wrote:
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